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Killer_Man_

03-01-2009, 22:09

Once again the eight gather around in an Inn. They went skiing, played many video and PC games but within a week someone had grown a vendetta against the host. Something must have made him or her snap and one morning. They found KM's body face down. When they rolled him over they would find many stab wounds and sear marks. The stink of burnt flesh was in the air as well. Who would have done such a horrible thing? Though that isn't the really bad news. It seemed a blizzard had kicked up and no one could leave. They disposed of the body as best as they could as they now went to solve this case.

Day: 1

H. Killer_Man_
1. BC (Co-Host)
2. Z
3. Mac
4. Damage
5. Gio
6. Chef
7. Llama

[I will PM the information I need to the people who are playing.]

EDIT:

Roles are out. Let the games begin.

03-01-2009, 22:50

I'm gonna try to start this off with a "down to business" post and officially call for a Pass.

I will also say that I am not the killer (or, rather one of the killers).

If I am a medic, I will be aiding myself tonight and no one will see me. If someone attacks me and the attack gets prevented by my medical aid, this should confirm my role and single out one of the killers when/if the insom sees him.

If I am an insom, I will be staying awake tonight and someone might see me but I will also deliver an accurate morning report which should hopefully also confirm my role (though I suppose anyone can make a false morning report so it may take longer to confirm that role).

And, obviously, if I am a pedestrian, I will be doing nothing tonight and no one will see me. I will not make any attempts to confirm a role as a pedestrian for my own safety. If I'm a pedestrian, you'll have no evidence to suggest I am a killer anyway, by default.

chefTENGU

03-01-2009, 23:10

In other words, you could be anything?

...

Anyway, I'm going to second Z's motion to pass.

Killer_Man_

03-01-2009, 23:13

A motion to pass has been reached.

-Yes to pass-

Z
Chef

-No to pass-

-Undecided-

BC
Mac
Damage
Gio
Llama

03-01-2009, 23:23

In other words, you could be anything?

Today? Yes (except a killer). I really only say it now to prepare for tomorrow. Either a killer will prove my innocence (and possibly my role) tonight whether by me dying or my a blocked kill attempt or someone else will get targeted in which case I can prove my innocence in other ways.

DAMAGE

03-02-2009, 01:34

I will third the notion to pass.

Killer_Man_

03-02-2009, 01:36

Need two more for majority to pass.

Bloodcinder

03-02-2009, 03:24

I'm gonna try to start this off with a "down to business" post and officially call for a Pass.
Well, I'm drunk right now, so let me see if I can start this out sensibly.

I'm going to reiterate that statistically it's most reasonable not to pass on the first day. The innocents are pretty much better off lynching anybody than doing nothing. So I'm going to vote against the pass.

I will also say that I am not the killer (or, rather one of the killers).

:bravo:
I'm so glad you're in this game with me. It's gonna be fun taking you down. I don't know what role you are, but I'm certain you're gonna be a challenge whether we're on the same side or not. Bring it, brother.

FUCKETY, Chef's playing this too, right? TRIOGASM.

Anyway, if the pass fails, y'all know my historical first-turn desires.

Killer_Man_

03-02-2009, 03:36

-Yes to pass-

Damage
Z
Chef

-No to pass-

BC

-Undecided-

Mac
Gio
Llama

BC, though drunk, has said no to the passing.

Bloodcinder

03-02-2009, 03:43

I'm good at saying "no" when drunk. It's a self-preservation skill!

03-02-2009, 14:02

Need two more for majority to pass.

-Yes to pass-

Damage
Z
Chef

-No to pass-

BC

-Undecided-

Mac
Gio
Llama

Unless I am missing something, you only need 1 more for the majority.

deathofcheese

03-02-2009, 14:08

We must have a cannibal or something on the loose. KM's flesh was seared (to perfection?). Sick.

I'm not sure about this "statistically advantageous" business, but I want to do something different this game. I agree with BC in that we should not pass the night. Let's start the witch hunt early and get someone outside.

Bloodcinder

03-02-2009, 14:15

Majority = 4 of 7

Yes to Pass
DMG
Z
Chef

No to Pass
BC
Mac

Quiet
Gio
Llama

Killer_Man_

03-02-2009, 14:25

My bad, good thing BC can count better than I can. :P

All we have to do is wait for Gio and Llama.

Bloodcinder

03-02-2009, 17:05

All we have to do is wait for Gio and Llama.
That's all? Guess we'll be waiting a while.

03-02-2009, 17:20

If in the event the pass fails, who are you guys wanting to accuse? Just anyone?

I'd be surprised if the pass doesn't succeed but I'm just curious and figured I'd put the downtime to some use.

Bloodcinder

03-02-2009, 17:27

Hehe, I barely should have to say mine. I wouldn't actually push an accusation, though. I'd just vote on one.

chefTENGU

03-02-2009, 18:08

I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how to express my idea for a strategy (in case the pass is defeated) in such a way that won't lead to anyone valuable getting targeted right off the bat.

Since we're going to need at least one night for insomniacs and medics to be able to fulfill their roles, and we risk ousting one of these valuable players by accusing someone blindly.

Bloodcinder

03-03-2009, 00:34

I'm fairly confident that can be avoided. I've got a reading on everybody but Gio so far. If the pass fails, the accusation will be arbitrary, not random. A completely vacuous lynching would be less statistically efficient than one well-analyzed by the community.

Gio Takahashi

03-03-2009, 00:53

I am going to vote to pass.

Bloodcinder

03-03-2009, 08:23

A majority has been achieved in favor of passing the day.

As co-host I will go ahead and shut the thread down to end Day 1.

Night 1 begins now. Get your PM's to KM as soon as possible.

Killer_Man_

03-04-2009, 15:04

Day: 2

H. Killer_Man_
1. BC (Co-Host)
2. Z
3. Mac
4. Damage
5. Gio
6. Chef
7. Llama

All was fine till people started to come out of their rooms, only to see Z's brains decking the halls. Apparently someone had a little fun with a rod or tire iron shape object last night. Regardless, Z, was... Bum bum bum... Dramatic reverb.(Kudos to those who remember that cartoon) murdered! They dispose of the body and move onto the day plans.

Gio Takahashi

03-04-2009, 15:21

Bummer. It doesn't surprise me that Z would be the first to go.

Bloodcinder

03-04-2009, 15:42

It doesn't surprise me either. I think that Z, Chef, and I are generally the first to go, in no specific order. This also hampers my strategy, because I prefer to have Z around to keep me in check when we're both playing.

So... I would expect the next kill to be either myself or Chef. Further, I'd like to point out that generally when a certain person doesn't post it's because he's avoiding having to converse about any murders. There's also another certain person who, when he keeps quiet except for a few words to progress a vote, generally is avoiding overcompensating for his murders.

Generally.

chefTENGU

03-04-2009, 16:13

Dammit. I was hoping last night would turn out differently, but unfortunately I've got nothing.

Although if Z was indeed one of the pedestrians, chances are probably better that if we do accuse someone that we're more likely to stumble upon a killer. If he WAS a killer, then even if an innocent gets kicked out, they're likely to have a better chance of survival out in the cold than if targeted by a killer.

I'll defer to BC on this one. He's better at figuring out the nuances.

Bloodcinder

03-04-2009, 16:39

At this point, assuming Z was not a killer, it is statistically more likely that a random expulsion will get rid of a killer than before... but that doesn't mean that's a valid justification to make a random expulsion.

Since Chef's deferring to me, I'll offer some further thoughts...

After further review,
...generally when a certain person doesn't post it's because he's avoiding having to converse about any murders.
may not be the case. I believe that person generally avoids conversation after he's been accused, not before. So I'm not going to go down that path.

I would like to ask DMG why he finds it appropriate to pass this time when he normally makes a stink about it.

And I'd like to ask if anybody has any information to (safely) share about last night.

But, Chef, I wouldn't say I'm better at analyzing nuances. After all, you're the Snowbound champion and I've never survived a game.

chefTENGU

03-04-2009, 16:44

Oh, luck's been a big part of it. But thank you.

Like you said before, the accusation wouldn't be random, but it needs to be done. An educated guess, I suppose.

Bloodcinder

03-04-2009, 16:47

(By the way, I fact-checked, and I did survive one game... but that game had four winners, and one of them was you. You've won four out of five completed games of Snowbound. Just to keep the record correct.)

I'll hold off on an accusation until people have had a chance to speak. But in general I'm ruling Llama out, suspecting DMG, and secretly suspecting one other person.

Gio Takahashi

03-05-2009, 03:54

It's really hard to point, when too little people say anything. Sadly though I don't have anything to contribute to solving this mystery.

Bloodcinder

03-05-2009, 09:40

My last post was at 03-04-2009, 16:47.
DMG's last activity was at 03-04-2009 18:00.
It's now after 03-05-2009 09:40.

I'll admit bias in this, because I never trust DMG, but he showed up once to vote to pass (something he dislikes) and hasn't posted since despite having been online. There may be mitigating circumstances, but I'd like Chef to consider this and my previously cited fears.

Let's just say this: he was online and had enough time at least to say, "Hey, guys, I'll respond to this tomorrow." That he didn't offer anything when he knows I've suspected him from (literally) Day 1 is a little telling.

Also, Gio is an insomniac.

DAMAGE

03-05-2009, 15:17

Think nothing of when I randomly sign on. I use my UEF tab to open a second tab so I can surf.

And as for passing, I just feel safe cause I'm a medic. Easy enough to prove. There is one small twist that I will keep secret though... for now.

Bloodcinder

03-05-2009, 15:25

I can either assume that the twist is part of the variant or that you are bluffing based on the fact that we can't disprove that you are bluffing. But I grant that forum access doesn't mean anything, since you have a sensible reason.

Why would you so quickly say that you are a medic, though? Either you're not a medic or the twist gives you a reason to feel confident that you aren't going to be in danger from revealing that.

I'm not going to play this game constantly second-guessing what the variant is, though. I'm going to assume it's a standard game until the host specifically gives me a reason to think otherwise.

chefTENGU

03-05-2009, 17:48

We haven't heard a peep out of Llama all game.

Bloodcinder

03-05-2009, 18:47

Further, we haven't heard from Galen except once. It's gonna come down to expelling whoever seems the least beneficial. Right now, I can tell you that I do have a function, but not one I've been able to use successfully yet. I think anybody else who feels so inclined should cop now and that anybody who hasn't spoken should give a reason why they should be kept around. Passing once kills have started is definitely ineffective because it gives the killer(s) a free night.

To be blatant: by either tonight or tomorrow morning, I'll be making an official accusation.

chefTENGU

03-05-2009, 18:59

I have a role as well, otherwise I would have volunteered to expel myself like I did in the last game by now.

Which means that I as well have been unable to make use of my function.

Bloodcinder

03-05-2009, 22:19

After some careful consideration, I've come to suspect two people, one of whom I'm not going to pursue at this time. The other is Gio. I want to know what role Gio is going to cop. If he doesn't cop a role, I'm going to accuse him after I get back from class in the morning. If he does cop a role, but he cops the wrong one (as far as I see it), I'll accuse him anyway.

Sorry to sound assy, but somebody's got to move this forward, and since I know my role ain't killer it might as well be me.

llama_egg

03-05-2009, 22:29

What's this blasphemy? The game already started and somehow I'm actually not dead.

Someone want to fill me in on what happened D:

And it's true, I'm actually not in character for once.

Gio Takahashi

03-06-2009, 01:54

That role is medic.

Bloodcinder

03-06-2009, 10:13

The options for accusing are Mac, Gio, Chef, Llama, DMG, and myself.

Mac hasn't contributed anything, but, then again, he's usually on the verge of complete silence during Snowbounds.

Gio picked the correct role to cop, so my threat to expel him is now dropped. I feel a little uneasy about how nonchalantly he made that claim, but I feel it means he's not a killer, because a killer would claim insomniac.

Chef is copping either to insomniac or medic, and I'm assuming the former. It's surprising, then, that considering how many roles have been copped he didn't see anybody on the first night.

Llama didn't bother to contribute anything, and in the past his feigned ignorance implies that he's up to something and avoiding discussing it, as I mentioned before.

DMG is claiming medic "with a twist." Well, I'd like to see what the twist is, so I wouldn't want to lose him just yet. I think it would be a huge bluff to claim to be an augmented medic if he were a killer. Further, he's not covering himself up enough to be guilty.

And I have a nightly service to perform, so I'm not going to oust myself.

Then I'm officially accusing Mac. My reasoning is primarily gut-based, but mostly because I have reasons to want to see the other four make it to tomorrow, whereas Mac offers nothing to pique my curiosity. Perhaps this is a little heartless, but, again, if we were to pass today we'd be giving the killer(s) a free night. Since I'm fully expecting to die tonight unless I expel the person who'd go after me, it's in my own best interest to get somebody out. I think that motive can be appreciated.

Further, I think Chef will agree with me that DMG should be kept around and (for reasons that may not be known to every historically Snowbounded person) so should Llama.

One point, though: if I do make it to tomorrow, I'd prefer that somebody else come up with an accusation so I don't have to. I don't like being the one to pull the trigger when there's so little to go on unless it's a weird situation like Snowbound 4. Since I'm pretty sure that's not the case, I have qualms about being the bad guy every day.

DAMAGE

03-06-2009, 10:43

I will give clues as to what the twist is. Only those you think hard about it may get it.

I can aid someone and still feel safe about it at the same time.

Bloodcinder

03-06-2009, 11:15

I think I know what that means. Let's say that you've got a second degree in medicine. In the case that I'm right, I have no qualms with requesting aid for tonight in case my fears are confirmed and I'm the next target.

deathofcheese

03-06-2009, 12:25

Contrary to previous games where I would try to say the least amount I could get away with to avoid implicating myself (true story), that isn't the case this time. Just like last game, I'm a medic. I've been busy/extremely lazy with responding to forums.

Besides, if you're going with a gut feeling and outing who you think is a killer yet you're afraid you'll be targeted, then your gut feeling would probably be wrong. Although other killers might appreciate the removal of competition (or threat), if I was a killer, I wouldn't target you at all because you were publicly doing my job for me.

Bloodcinder

03-06-2009, 13:46

I think there are two killers, and you're just one of them. How's that?

So, it looks like everybody is a medic or an insomniac. I have a question of the medics: do they all enjoy "the twist" that DAMAGE is implying?

Killer_Man_

03-06-2009, 14:47

BC has accused Mac to be expelled. Anyone second?

chefTENGU

03-06-2009, 18:29

Chef is copping either to insomniac or medic, and I'm assuming the former. It's surprising, then, that considering how many roles have been copped he didn't see anybody on the first night.
I suppose that means I'm outed.

And yes, it is surprising, and I'm surprised as well. Hopefully tonight my luck will be better. If not, then I'll feel even more useless, and will put myself forward as a candidate for expulsion tomorrow (I want to clear the air that I'm not a killer in case I end up with nothing to report in the morning and someone else ends up dead).

Then I'm officially accusing Mac. My reasoning is primarily gut-based, but mostly because I have reasons to want to see the other four make it to tomorrow, whereas Mac offers nothing to pique my curiosity. Perhaps this is a little heartless, but, again, if we were to pass today we'd be giving the killer(s) a free night. Since I'm fully expecting to die tonight unless I expel the person who'd go after me, it's in my own best interest to get somebody out. I think that motive can be appreciated.
Seconded.

However, since we're basically going by gut here, I'm going to recommend that Mac be pitied tomorrow if he survives.

Killer_Man_

03-06-2009, 18:38

Motion to expel Mac has been seconded.

-Yes-

Chef
BC

-No-

Mac(I would assume he would vote no?)

-Undecided-

Gio
Llama
Damage

Bloodcinder

03-06-2009, 19:14

However, since we're basically going by gut here, I'm going to recommend that Mac be pitied tomorrow if he survives.
Well, let's cross that bridge when we get there. We haven't even heard from the other three yet.

DAMAGE

03-07-2009, 03:05

I'll go ahead and third the vote.

Killer_Man_

03-07-2009, 03:12

-Yes-

Chef
BC
Damage

-No-

Mac(I would assume he would vote no?)

-Undecided-

Gio
Llama

One more would make it complete and Mac is thrown out.

Gio Takahashi

03-07-2009, 03:46

I vote yes.

llama_egg

03-07-2009, 04:25

Nooooo idea what's going on, I'll just nod my head and agree.

chefTENGU

03-07-2009, 08:30

On the first day, we ended up passing, then Z was killed on the first night and we have nothing to show for it.

We're hoping that the expulsion of someone, based on what we DO know, might help point us to the killer(s) in the end.

Bloodcinder

03-07-2009, 08:52

A majority was reached and Mac was expelled.

As co-host, I'm gonna shut the thread to end Day 2.

Night 2 begins now. Get your PM's to KM as soon as possible.

Inside
Bloodcinder
chefTENGU
DAMAGE
Gio Takahashi
llama_egg

Outside
MacCready

Dead
Z
Killer_Man_

Killer_Man_

03-09-2009, 12:34

It was a quiet night this time. All you could hear is the wind howling about as the blizzard continued. It seems that no one was attacked last night.

Mac was outside pounding on the door trying to alert someone to let him in.

Day 3:

BC
Damage
Chef
Gio
Mac - Still outside
Llama

Bloodcinder

03-09-2009, 13:21

Chef, since I know you're innocent, would you like to offer a suggestion about how to proceed today?

chefTENGU

03-09-2009, 17:10

I'm not quite certain how to proceed. You were the only one I saw up last night, so your innocence is well-proven.

First, I think we need to decide what to do with Sechoes, first. Since I'm certain there's got to be a killer among us, lying low for now, I think that he should be pitied and someone else be given a night out in the cold.

I pity Mac and move that he be let back in.

Bloodcinder

03-09-2009, 17:44

Yesterday Galen was deemed the most likely killer candidate. What has changed that ruling? Nothing new has come to light regarding his innocence or guilt, so why would we pity him?

More to the point, there is only risk, not reward, in letting him back in. Since there was no kill last night while Mac was outside, it's at least reasonable to believe that there is a correlation: the inn was safer without him.

There are two options.

1. Let Galen back in. If he wasn't a killer, fine. Do we then play musical chairs with everybody until the killer(s) finish us all off? If he was a killer, we're screwed.

2. Don't let Galen back in. Potentially we win the game on the next morning if he freezes to death as the last killer. If he wasn't a killer, fine. Sometimes you lose a few innocents on the way to preventing the killers from winning.

I therefore oppose pitying Galen.

Gio Takahashi

03-09-2009, 22:16

I think it's too risky to let him back in. I'm voting against letting him back in as well.

Bloodcinder

03-09-2009, 22:52

One more "no pity" will keep him out. Two more "pities" will let him in.

llama_egg

03-10-2009, 00:49

I'm an absolute jackass, let him freeze!

Bloodcinder

03-10-2009, 09:27

Then unless somebody changes a vote Mac will die at nightfall.

So, what do we do now?

chefTENGU

03-10-2009, 15:33

I suppose move on to accusations.

Ron and I are both positive of the other's innocence, which leaves Gio, Damage, and Llama as our possible killers.

Bloodcinder

03-10-2009, 15:54

Or nobody. Do we want to consider an accusation or do we want to pass?

If I have to accuse somebody, I know whom I would pick, but that's just a process of elimination now that Mac is out. Remember, he doesn't freeze until tonight, so if he's the last killer we still have to finish today before the game can end.

chefTENGU

03-10-2009, 15:56

In all honesty, I don't know who to pick. I'm leaning toward either Gio or Llama, but essentially it's a coin toss.

Bloodcinder

03-10-2009, 16:06

Well, for me the choice is easily DMG, and this time it's not primarily for any frequency or conduct of his posting. I get the feeling that his unexplained "medic twist" is a bluff. I have no information from last night to confirm that he is innocent. He has cited no contributions. It's still primarily in my gut, but I can't get over the feeling that he's pulling one over.

I mean, we're playing a secret variant. Anybody could BS any special power... and we're supposed to just accept it and move on?

Being a medic who can heal himself and another person in the same night (if that's what he means) would be a great cover for a killer. Think about it: if people see you up, it's because you were aiding somebody else. So the innocents won't expel you because they want you around and the killers won't go for you because they don't want to waste a shot on a verified non-certainty.

Hey, guys, I'll let you in on the secret variant: I started the game with an auto-pipe! Gonna believe me?

That's been nagging at me. If anything, this is just paranoia, but it still makes him more suspicious in my eyes than Gio and llama.

chefTENGU

03-10-2009, 16:11

As well as his history os sneakiness.

Anyone else want to have a say before I make an accusation?

DAMAGE

03-10-2009, 17:02

I did aid you last night BC. And now that I know you are an insom. I can continue to aid you and still feel safe.
Also, I thought that a medic wasn't considered active unless they actually aid someone that needs aiding.
I'll continue aiding BC, and any other medics can continue to aid themselves.

I propose a pass.

Bloodcinder

03-10-2009, 20:02

Also, I thought that a medic wasn't considered active unless they actually aid someone that needs aiding.
False.

I did aid you last night BC. And now that I know you are an insom. I can continue to aid you and still feel safe.
Thank you for your charity, but I don't believe you, and I don't think I will.

I'm leaving this to Chef to decide.

DAMAGE

03-10-2009, 20:43

And you don't find it a bid weird that no one else has said anything about their twists?

chefTENGU

03-10-2009, 23:21

I'm inclined to follow along with BC since I know he's the only one I can trust.

Damage, I'm suspicious of you since you volunteered that you have this special twist, when KM had earlier insinuated that it was something that would make itself known when the time was right, or something like that.

However, you advocated passing today, which is something that's not really in the killer's best interest.

I'm officially accusing Damage, though I honestly don't know what to make of him. If there is a killer among us, and it's NOT Damage, and he manages to kill either BC or me during the night, I'm confident the one who survives will be able to spot him and identify who the killer is.

Killer_Man_

03-10-2009, 23:30

Damage has been accused. Who seconds?

Bloodcinder

03-11-2009, 07:18

DMG, there's no reason to believe anybody has a twist. The game is supposed to have a "trigger." Now, I apologize in advance if we've gone on a witch hunt, but I still feel in my gut that you're being fishy, and generally when I play this game my gut is righter than most.

I'll second. If either Gio or Llama condemns as well, it's unanimous.

Expel DMG
Chef
BC

Keep DMG
DMG

Silent
Gio
Llama

DAMAGE

03-11-2009, 13:06

You're gonna kick yourself. But sure, if you really don't trust me then I don't really care to protect you anyways.

Go ahead and kick me out. I third it.

Bloodcinder

03-11-2009, 13:37

Well that's a little silly. You have the chance to not be expelled. Why not wait for your peers to speak? Only Chef and I have spoken so far. It's reasonable that Gio or llama could say something that would clear you.

I'm going to give you a chance to retract that by retracting my vote for now.

Expel DMG
Chef
DMG

Keep DMG
---

Silent
BC
Gio
Llama

Gio Takahashi

03-11-2009, 22:02

I'm a little unsure about this. I'm partially convinced that Damage could be the last killer, due to the way he is acting, however, it could be all just an act anyway. I say we boot him, and see what happens tomorrow.

and by the way, I am going to continue to say that I am a Medic and will aid myself.

So I vote to throw him out.

Killer_Man_

03-11-2009, 22:09

Expel DMG
Chef
DMG
Gio

Keep DMG
---

Silent
BC
Llama

Bloodcinder

03-11-2009, 22:30

Well, son, that's a majority even without reinstating my vote.

So... DMG is thrown out and Galen freezes to death. Let's hope that's the last outcast.

Inside
BC
Chef
Gio
llama

Outside
DMG

Get your PM's to KM as soon as possible.

Killer_Man_

03-12-2009, 22:02

It was a quiet night and morning. Damage had frozen over by the time the people went to see if he was alive still. Nothing new had changed.

Inside:

BC
Llama
Chef
Gio

chefTENGU

03-12-2009, 22:38

Ok... no new kill, or even a kill attempt, while BC and Llama were definitely up with me.

No one left to pity... such a pity.

Moving right along, the onus of suspicion has fallen squarely on Gio. This is an official accusation of Gio. If three of the players were all active last night, with no new kill attempt, then it must be the only person who wasn't seen up.

Bloodcinder

03-12-2009, 22:45

Entirely agreed, because I've seen both you and Llama up on kill-free nights... but not Gio. Process of elimination needs no justification.

Therefore, seconded.

Expel Gio
Chef
BC

Keep Gio
Gio (Presumed)

Silent
Llama

Gotta wait on Llama's vote.

Double Post

Hehe, which I think means we have our winners: Chef, BC, and Llama. I've finally made it to an end-game top three!

It's Day 4 right now. Either it ends in the morning of Day 5 with Gio frozen or it ends the morning of Day 6 if we have to pass the day while he freezes later on.