(016) Snowbound 8: Something Wicked

[Bloodcinder]

This is pre-reg for the eighth game of Snowbound, game 016 at UEF.

Rule Set
Standard, Fourth Edition (http://pw.bloodcinder.com/)

Time Limit for Activity
36 Hours

Host
Bloodcinder

Participants
1. Jasmin Jaquine
2. Gio Takahashi
3. Killer_Man_
4. Z
5. DAMAGE
6. Arainach
7. MacCready
8. llama_egg
9. chefTENGU

[Jasmin Jaquine]

I'm in!!!

I was sad when I saw The 7th Guest start the day I got back into the swing of things, especially seeing as it looks like a pretty fun game that time around, least from an outsiders point of view, so I totally want to get in on this one!

[Bloodcinder]

Nice! Glad to have you back for the first time since Snowbound 4.

[Jasmin Jaquine]

I really like Snowbound...it was the other one I took part in that sort of drove me nuts and off the whole game thing a bit. The one where there were vampires or something along those lines.

[Gio Takahashi]

Yeah, sure. Let's see how long I last in this one.

[Bloodcinder]

Yeah, hehe, we won't be doing that one again.

Also, the last time you played Snowbound we were playing Tactics: everybody gets to PM each other whenever they want. This time around there's none of that, because we're just playing the regular game where you can only talk in the thread. Make sure to read over the rules to refresh yourself.

EDIT: Gio, sure.

[Killer_Man_]

I'm in of course.

[Bloodcinder]

An update...

As of Snowbound 7, killers had a high chance of success while medics also had a high chance of success. Now killers have a high chance of success but medics have only a moderate chance of success.

(This is actually up to the host to interpret in his Chances policy. Depending on the host, this will either mean nothing or will make it easier on the killers.)

Researchers used to be one-hit-wonders: they'd certainly die if targeted even if they received aid. Now they still will certainly die if targeted, but they can be saved by aid if they get it. Further, they now have their new role as of the morning, not the same night.

(I like the idea that they have an incentive to study a role quickly, but they shouldn't be afraid of dying immediately on the first night if they choose to take their time. The only reason I previously let them take the role as of the same night was because of their frailty: with that partially gone, it's a lot more clear to have them take the role on the next morning.)

Gotta do these little tweaks when you introduce new roles and big changes.

[Z]

Z is N (sideways)

[Bloodcinder]

That's what she said.

[DAMAGE]

Of course I'm in.

[Z]

Hopefully chef can play this time around :D

[Arainach]

Sure, why not. I'm in.

[deathofcheese]

I sign up.

[Bloodcinder]

Hopefully chef can play this time around :D
Agreed. I'll wait for Chef to get back.

[Bloodcinder]

Llama PM'd me that he's joining.

[Bloodcinder]

I have already planned the nature of the game, but if anybody has any suggestions for anything they'd like to see, please PM them to me.

I will also reiterate: you should re-read the entire rules as of now before you play. This is because there were a lot of changes made recently, and, although I've basically posted to summarize each of these for you, I won't be held accountable for any confusion that could have been prevented.

Also... no throwing the game! RAR.

Chef gets back in three days or so. As soon as I know whether he's playing, we can start.

[chefTENGU]

I was jealous when I heard you got in a game without me! I'm in for this one, you can count on it!

[Bloodcinder]

Well, you certainly didn't miss anything from that one. Hehe.

Alright... we've got our nine. I'll start the game soonish.

[Arainach]

How do perfect chances mix with aid? That is, say an assassin targets someone and a medic aids them. Does the perfect chance overrule any aid?

[Bloodcinder]

No.

[Arainach]

OK. Just wanted to know what we're up against. So Medics do still play a role even with that addition. Good.
Double Post
One other question: Do Researchers also inherit intrinsic properties (like the resistance to being murdered of the medic) of the role they research?

[Bloodcinder]

Yes. They fully become the studied roles and are no longer researchers thereafter.

[Z]

So right now, we have 3 people who haven't voted (Mac, DMG, llama) and the time is set for tonight (or technically tomorrow morning) at 3:00 AM. If one or more of them can't cast a vote in time, does the current majority win the vote or do we just wait longer?

[Bloodcinder]

Technically, I assign the uncast votes as I see fit. That means I'll probably cast them in favor of whichever side has the lead at the time.

Practically, I won't be on the forum tomorrow until the evening.

[Bloodcinder]

I'm waiting on some PM's. They are due by morning. Please be prompt.

[Bloodcinder]

A correction: I accidentally skimmed over Mac's vote to keep Gio, so there was a majority reached before the time limit. I updated the last post of Day 2 to reflect that.

[Gio Takahashi]

I really think the rule should change regarding "waiting til everyone votes", this game becoming a good example why this needs to be changed. almost every day time, we had to wait until full time limit to kick it in Night phase.

[Z]

It was changed to this due to people concerned over not getting a chance to speak their mind before a vote was finalized in previous games. I'm fine with the idea of changing it back to the way it was but we can't shoot down both ideas without presenting a better alternative.

[Gio Takahashi]

Agreed, I'm not keen about immediately jumping into night phase once voting is complete, I liked the change but the only downside is that when people get extra busy, they won't be able to check the forums constantly, and only to end up being late.

[Killer_Man_]

I think Llama already stated back in the thread that he was innocent. I assume he would vote to keep himself in. Regardless, we may had to wait but I like the idea so that when there are four people, they can just jump the third one down without a fight.

[Bloodcinder]

I really think the rule should change regarding "waiting til everyone votes", this game becoming a good example why this needs to be changed. almost every day time, we had to wait until full time limit to kick it in Night phase.

What the hell.

It was changed to this due to people concerned over not getting a chance to speak their mind before a vote was finalized in previous games.

This.

Nobody's gonna shit himself dead from boredom during the course of 36 hours. Chill.

[Arainach]

So, seriously, is this what it comes down to? First Mac (admittedly that may have been in SB7, I forget) and now Llama being a bitch and not voting? So people who get expelled are just going to try and gum up the works and make people suffer?

Quick, while none of us are looking, would one of the killer(s) please just stab llama so we can move on?

[Gio Takahashi]

I think them posting should be enough to move on to the night phase.

[Killer_Man_]

To talk about snowbound HERE instead of the IC thread.

There is nothing wrong with the rules as they are.

Though I think if people accuse and blame someone + vote them off. The defender should have time to defend himself and try to convince them all not to vote him out. If they do something like post a few posts and then disappear after the majority has reached. It should end there. It's just the rule is there to stop the whole processing being rushed.

(Such as one of the SBs, I think the one with Damage hosted and where BC and I would rush the vote process to get it to night time.)

Llama has had plenty of time to defend himself and has posted a few times.

I'm not complaining. I like the 48 hours of just day time to get things going.

[llama_egg]

Other then the fact it should be obvious what I vote, not that it really matters. I mean, Christ, calm down, I make a joke and suddenly I'm being a bitch? Figured there wasn't much reason of me saying "Hai gais, I disagree and I'll be voting no" when it's 7 vs 1.

[Killer_Man_]

Guys calm the hell down. Please take it to the OOC thread and not clutter the IC thread.

[Bloodcinder]

Thank you, KM. The point is that after being condemned Llama got one last chance to make a statement.

When you guys host a game, you can do it your own way. When I host it, I'm going to implement the fairness policy that a bunch of you bitched for.

If waiting part of 36 hours is the definition of suffering, somebody needs a zanax.

[Jasmin Jaquine]

Gotta love the massive amount of impatience our generation has.

NEED CONSTANT STIMULATION PLOX!!!

Anyways, I'm fine with the 36 hours, mainly cause I've learned that waiting for something makes it that much more fun, well, sometimes. But I'm fine with it and can distract myself with other things while waiting.

[Arainach]

Oh, and BC, you forgot to lock the IC thread.

[Jasmin Jaquine]

It has been locked.

[deathofcheese]

...the fairness policy that a bunch of you bitched for.Huzzah.

Comments about slacker-forum-checkers aside, even when I DO check the forums in a regular and timely fashion, I was frequently taken at a disadvantage because of someone else checking and posting faster than me. There was another time when I didn't even get a say because I'd suddenly become busy and the day was closed a couple hours after it was opened.

This 36 hour time period that allows people to at least have a say is as fair as we can get without having to resort to enforcing a post order rule, where you can only make one post per round in the order determined. So what if the game drags on a couple more days? At least now it's not over in four days or less.

[Z]

I've gotta to go bed now. I think I've explained my position as thoroughly as I can.

[Killer_Man_]

BC, if I am not up/posting when everyone has had a chance to vote/talk. Lets say about 10 PM CST. I give you full permission to close the thread and throw me out.

[Z]

False. That process stays open until evening as per the rules.
Ah, I must be thinking of the wrong ruleset. My bad.

[Bloodcinder]

Ary, it doesn't matter which thread you post in--public is public. Actually, KM didn't break the rules because all he did was ask if anybody remembered to vote yes or no on pity. Your post is a violation of no-public-communication because you were arguing in your defense. So I think you'll understand that I soft-deleted it.

If anybody says anything that actually misrepresents the rules, I point it out myself. Beyond that... people are free to say what they want.

[Jasmin Jaquine]

What did KM start as?

[Bloodcinder]

What did KM start as?
A pedestrian!

[Z]

chef scarred the bajeezus out of me with this last day. I knew that delay in post had to be him getting paranoid. I guess either way it would have been an assassin victory, though, whether it be me or Mac.

[chefTENGU]

KM LIED.

SO DID MAC, ARY, AND Z.

ALL LIES.

[deathofcheese]

A researcher. He researched a pedestrian and became a pedestrian.

Ha ha ha, how about that? Three assassins and no killers. Once again, Z played us all.

[Bloodcinder]

A researcher. He researched a pedestrian and became a pedestrian.
No, he started as a pedestrian!

[Z]

...what the fudge, KM! Rofl.

[Bloodcinder]

He told me he just wanted to cause chaos. I think he succeeded, because counting him as a killer had to have affected some judgment calls.

---------- Post added at 19:27 ---------- Previous post was at 19:21 ----------

Here were the murders...

1. MacCready murdered DAMAGE despite chefTENGU's attempt to save him.
2. Z murdered Gio Takahashi.
3. Arainach targeted Z but chefTENGU saved him. (Although assassins can't be murdered anyway.)
4. Z murdered Jasmin Jaquine.
5. Z murdered chefTENGU.

Z managed to get in three murders!

[Bloodcinder]

Will edit. I misread my big-ass log.

[Gio Takahashi]

I can't believe all three of them are assassins. I KNEW there were at least one assassins in the game, and no regular killers.

[Arainach]

Unfortunately, by the time I realized what Z was up to I was already more than half voted out and pretty well screwed anyhow.

[DAMAGE]

I could have sworn that if a kill was unsuccessful, then there would be no need for medical intervention, and therefore no need for the report to show that they were aided.

[Bloodcinder]

Assassin kills are always successful before medical aid is considered.

[Killer_Man_]

How would you report in the morning if an assassin attacks an assassin with no aide? I know they can't be murdered but how would you report that? JUst a fail murder?

AND I ONLY HALF LIED YOU APES!

I didn't lie about what role I had, I only lied about the researcher part. I wanted to see what would happen and I did.

[Bloodcinder]

How would you report in the morning if an assassin attacks an assassin with no aide? I know they can't be murdered but how would you report that? JUst a fail murder?
Correct.