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Gio Takahashi
06-13-2008, 09:17
DETROIT ? Even in northern Wisconsin, where midsize sport utility vehicles are as common as deer, people are starting to abandon them because of high gasoline prices.

It's one of the last places to back away from the class of SUVs, which includes the once-popular Ford Explorer and Chevrolet TrailBlazer. Some industry analysts are already declaring the midsize SUV extinct.

"They're dinosaurs. Put a fork in them," Erich Merkle, vice president of auto industry forecasting for the consulting company IRN Inc. in Grand Rapids, Mich., said in an interview.

It's no secret that drivers are flocking to smaller, more fuel-efficient cars as the cost of gas marches higher. And midsize SUVs are built on the same frames as trucks, which add extra weight and drink more fuel.

So drivers who want a bigger ride are opting for newer crossover vehicles ? such as the Ford Edge or Buick Enclave ? that look and perform like SUVs but are lighter because they're built on the same underpinnings as cars.

They're not well-equipped to go off-road, but analysts say few people were using that feature, anyway.

The move away from midsize SUVs is painfully clear to Tonie Mixer of De Pere, Wis., who has been trying for a month to sell her cream-colored 2007 Explorer, which features heated leather seats and a power moon roof.

So far, the only inquires have been from brokers wanting to help with the sale.

"It's the perfect car," she said. "But it just uses the gas because we got the big engine in it."

It uses the cash, too. At $4 per gallon, it costs $90 to fill the 22 1/2-gallon tank of a 2007 Explorer. A four-wheel-drive model with a powerful 4.6-liter V8 engine gets just 13 miles per gallon in the city and 18 on the highway.

Mixer has hers on the market, asking $27,995.

"We originally got it to pull our camper, but we're not going to be doing much of that any more," she said.

Midsize SUV sales were down 24 percent for the first five months of this year from the same period in 2007. The decline for May was an especially steep 38 percent, according to Autodata Corp.

People bought about 445,000 Explorers in 2000, at the height of the SUV market, but last year Ford only sold about one-third of that number. And 2008 looks even worse.

For large SUVs, such as the Chevrolet Suburban and for Ford Expedition, sales declines have also been huge. But automakers are betting they will survive ? in smaller numbers ? because of large families that need the space and people who tow boats and campers.

Ford won't say if the Explorer is headed for the scrap yard, but at the Detroit auto show earlier this year, the company showed off a version built on car underpinnings that it plans to roll out later.

General Motors Corp. and Chrysler won't concede the deaths of their midsize SUVs, either. But GM announced earlier this month it would close an Ohio factory that it's the only maker of its TrailBlazer and GMC Envoy models.

Chrysler already had plans to close the plant that makes the Dodge Durango and Chrysler Aspen.

Once ubiquitous large and midsize SUVs have become symbols of Americans' overuse of oil, said Robert Thompson, a Syracuse University professor who studies pop culture.

Now, many people who bought SUVs when they were trendy are embarrassed by them, he said.

"There are a lot of perfectly normal families who were driving their kids around in these things who now feel the need to show up in your driveway to apologize," he said.

Jack Nerad, executive market analyst for Kelley Blue Book, says he sees the shift in California, where the image of driving to the wide-open spaces was popular.

"The auto industry moves through cycles and moves on," he said. "I think we've probably moved beyond that outdoor imagery."

But make no mistake, Thompson says ? it's mostly about expensive gas.

"The reason that cultural stuff is becoming so powerful is that everybody's consciousness has been raised by the economic issue," Thompson says.

GM and Chrysler have been trying to fight the gas-guzzling image of SUVs with a sophisticated gas-electric hybrid that pushes gas mileage in a large SUV to 21 in the city and 22 on the highway.

Still, the shift from trucks to cars this year was so rapid that Ford and GM executives view it as permanent. Both GM and Ford recently announced huge production cuts and plans to crank out more cars even as U.S. automakers, and even Toyota Motor Corp., continue to see their sales drop.

The shift certainly will cause more red ink in Detroit, where automakers historically have relied on big-ticket trucks for the bulk of their profits.

Nerad says the Detroit Three recognized the shift and have more fuel-efficient models in the works, but they saw it coming in years, not months. The change, he said, was the most rapid he has seen in his 30 years in the industry.

None of this is much help to Mixer, though, who bought her Explorer in March of last year. Gasoline was still around $2.50 per gallon.

"We didn't see this coming at all," she said. "I didn't realize it was ever going to get this bad."

source (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365714,00.html)

Charlie
06-13-2008, 10:21
Not enough oil wells drilled yet I assume, Mr. Bush?

RonDo
06-13-2008, 11:26
I think it won't be the complete death of SUV's per say, however companies won't be putting so much emphasis on them..such as having multiple models of SUV's in their lineups.

Only a few companies will have the larger ones because there will still be a demand for them, though much much smaller. There will still be a moderate amount of the smaller SUV's because there are more options to make them attractive in MPG.

SpaceProg
06-13-2008, 14:19
Meh, can't say I'll miss them. Most were used only as 'urban assault vehicles' anyway.
I doubt if that woman will ever sell her SUV. Especially at that price.

Killer_Man_
06-13-2008, 23:47
Charlie, it isn't just Bush who runs oil fields.

Blame the panzy people who said that we don't have eenough 'non-intrusive' ways of getting oil even though we can drill about 100-200 yards away, drill down and then angle it.

This isn't just Bush, it's people who are worried about nature. Which I can understand why but there are many ways of getting oil without destroying nature.

Besides, doesn't the Senate/some sort of higher up have to approve of it too?

Seegtease
06-14-2008, 04:52
Gas prices have to cap at a certain point. They literally have to. If they get too high, people can no longer get to work, if they cannot get to work, they cannot afford anything. If gas goes up too much, food goes up. If people cannot work or buy things, businesses collapse. If the gas prices do not cap, the economy will collapse. This is a concept many, say, Europeans cannot understand. People from countries that are smaller than most of our states. We can't just ride bikes, we can't just take a bus or walk. We need our cars. Most of America is rural. We cannot give up cars. It's too bad much of the world cannot see that.

We can, however, give up gas guzzling vehicles, but not everybody can afford a new car.

Detrevni
06-14-2008, 06:42
They don't have to be new cars. 4 cylinder commuter cars are great, getting around 30-40 mpg. Anyone looking for a car that can't afford anyhting brand new look for these: 2.0 liter engine, fairly small car, manual transmission.

Or an even smaller engine. It doesn't take a lot of horsepower to get to 60 mph (100k/h).

Seegtease
06-14-2008, 12:14
Well, not all 4 cylinder cars. If they're too weak, I've not been able to maintain highway miles on an uphill incline (45mph when limit is 65). I wouldn't expect anybody to drive that. That was an old truck of mine though. I guess it has left me biased against 4 cylinder. I drive 6, currently, and I have no interest in 8.

Killer_Man_
06-14-2008, 12:43
Lucky for me, my city has a well thought out bus system or else I'd be driving. I can drive, I just refuse to cause it would take too much money.

RonDo
06-14-2008, 13:06
Lucky for me, my city has a well thought out bus system or else I'd be driving. I can drive, I just refuse to cause it would take too much money.

If my city had a bus system like say, the one around Seattle and Tacoma, I'd be using it.

I drive a V-6 now, but I have a couple of V-8's sitting around as well. I love my 8s.

Arainach
06-14-2008, 13:38
Gas prices have to cap at a certain point. They literally have to. If they get too high, people can no longer get to work, if they cannot get to work, they cannot afford anything. If gas goes up too much, food goes up. If people cannot work or buy things, businesses collapse. If the gas prices do not cap, the economy will collapse. This is a concept many, say, Europeans cannot understand. People from countries that are smaller than most of our states. We can't just ride bikes, we can't just take a bus or walk. We need our cars. Most of America is rural. We cannot give up cars. It's too bad much of the world cannot see that.

We can, however, give up gas guzzling vehicles, but not everybody can afford a new car.I still don't see where gas prices literally have to cap. All I see is "Gas prices literally have to cap or the American economy will collapse." That much I agree with. There are just two ways for that predicate to become true.

deathofcheese
06-14-2008, 13:39
My 4-cylinder Saturn gets about 300+ miles on a 10-gallon tank and I have no problem keeping up at 80mph on the interstate. My mom's 2007/8 (don't remember) Honda CRV is a 4-cylinder and, although it only gets about 26 mpg hwy is an amazing car to drive with its handling and pickup for its size (small SUV? large 4-cylinder car?).

Detrevni
06-14-2008, 14:53
Sixes aren't too terrible.. usually get around 24-26 highway. As for the smaller engines I guess you just have to find a good balance. I don't do a lot of driving up big hills so My little engine does me fine... and I can stay at 60 up the bigger hils I jsut ahve to drop to 4th gear which will kill my mpg a little bit.

Death of cheese if you drove at 60 mph you'd probably get 400 miles outa that tank easy. Just hte slitghtly lower engine speed plus the massively reduced air resistance woudl do wonders. Try it sometime as an experment. :) For instance my car gets 33-35 when I'm moving at 80 mph on the freeway but I get about 40 at 55.
So for really long hal trips I actually go slower.. I dunno. It really depends on whats important to you, themileage or the speed. If you can afford the gas go for it. :)

Arainach
06-14-2008, 15:07
I consider 24-26 highway to be 'terrible', myself. We had the technology to do 30MPG cars 30 years ago; there's no reason a single vehicle that doesn't average 30 between city/highway should exist today outside of a museum.

Killer_Man_
06-14-2008, 16:04
I still don't see where gas prices literally have to cap. All I see is "Gas prices literally have to cap or the American economy will collapse." That much I agree with. There are just two ways for that predicate to become true.

They do, cause everything has a price cap before no one will pay for it. They'd be losing more money then gaining but sadly maybe there should be a law that forbids gas stations from selling gas to other gas stations. I heard about it cause in my city, there was a ban on one of the new gas stations cause it was 'foreign' or something and it worked for a little bit before they just sold their gas to some other place.

deathofcheese
06-14-2008, 17:01
Well, I don't drive that fast all the time, I was just saying that 4-cylinders aren't always dogs, even when it comes to keeping speed up on hills. Usually, I drive fast enough (down here, most country roads are 45 or 55, which translates to 65 or 75) that I don't have to downshift, unless I'm driving behind someone. I guess my case also has something to do with the smarter entity handling acceleration and shifting (me, instead of the car). I think the farthest I've stretched my tank is 360 or so. I do too much city driving to get that high, usually though. I think that time I had driven to Charlotte or some place, so most of the tank was spent on an interstate.

SpaceProg
06-14-2008, 17:11
My Daewoo is a 4 cylinder but it has a good bit of get up and go. I wonder if it's to do with the double overhead cam it has?
I'm not very Auto-inclined (especially since everything went electronic).

Seegtease
06-14-2008, 20:54
I still don't see where gas prices literally have to cap. All I see is "Gas prices literally have to cap or the American economy will collapse." That much I agree with. There are just two ways for that predicate to become true.

That is what I mean.

Arainach
06-15-2008, 04:23
They do, cause everything has a price cap before no one will pay for it. They'd be losing more money then gaining but sadly maybe there should be a law that forbids gas stations from selling gas to other gas stations. I heard about it cause in my city, there was a ban on one of the new gas stations cause it was 'foreign' or something and it worked for a little bit before they just sold their gas to some other place.Supply and demand doesn't apply when supply is finite. It ESPECIALLY doesn't apply when supply is dwindling. No matter what, there are billions and billions of gallons that we NEED to consume and will consume no matter what the cost until a better alternative is found. And given that when prices get that high and there is NO way to increase supply since it's FINITE, it doesn't matter if you and I can't buy gas, prices will stay that high no matter what.

Killer_Man_
06-15-2008, 11:25
Ary, that is true and untrue. Because we have oil in our own soil, but we don't drill/pump for it. So yes, techincally we have oil that we could flood the market and yes, I know that the prices will forever go up since it's finite supply.

deathofcheese
06-15-2008, 15:33
We have enough oil in the US to let the entire country buy gas at $.80 for six months. Then we're dry.

Seegtease
06-15-2008, 22:24
I'm guessing you mean reserves.

deathofcheese
06-15-2008, 23:17
I mean whatever we have that's freely available to refine and/or distribute as well as what we haven't pumped out of the ground yet.

Killer_Man_
06-15-2008, 23:26
What they could do is what Clinton did. Didn't he just dump the oil into the market, then bought it all back up?

Seegtease
06-16-2008, 00:07
There's more in the ground than that.