Pedophilia

[BillmasterZ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

What do you guys think about Pedophilia? Society looks at it as a disorder.

But what makes a pedophile a pedophile? That is what is the cause of the disorder? Are people born with it or do they grow into it?

Thats like asking why are people gay.

Now don't get me wrong sex with a child and an adult is disgusting and dead wrong!!!

But some of the greatest people to ever live were pedo's

Edgar Allen Poe
Thomas Edison
Charles Lutwidge Dodgson pseudonym Lewis Carrol.
I can go on and on.

Now my gf is young and I would dare not touch her till she is legal and we are married.

I have looked at lolicon to get an emotional\sexual release.

Does that make me a pedophile? For liking 14-16 year old girls and looking at lolicon?

Discuss.

[BillmasterZ]

This might do better in Mediator's Hut (http://www.unitedempire.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10)? Mod help?

[Gareth]

I sense denial from he who started the topic, You should seek some help man, It's just not healthy to project your own molestation problems by bringing them to other pre-teens.

[Gerrymander]

Whoooo...Gareth, let's not be overly acidic.

In general, the idea doesn't sit well with me. The maturity levels are too off-kilter (physically and emotionally) for things to even begin to work or feel right.

[Charlie]

Anyone who can condone something like this in ANY way what-so-ever is fucking sick in the head, and needs to be confined to a padded room, and heavily medicated until the day they die. Anyone who actually acts on their feelings needs to have their ball sack cut off (or ovaries cut out), and the contents shoved down their throats. Then they need to be shot in the gut, and left to suffer.

THAT is how I view Pedophilia.

[Detrevni]

Pedophilia is pretty much not cool, but as long as someone who feels that sort of attraction doesn't act on their impulses, it's fine. And lets be honest, who hasn't found a 16 year old girl attractive? (for the guys anyway) As long as we don't go out and try to sleep with her it's fine. But that's not quite pedophilia anyway... now sexual exploitation of kids is wrong and if you feel an attraction to pre-teens or very early teens, then may some therapy is in order.

[BillmasterZ]

I sense denial from he who started the topic, You should seek some help man, It's just not healthy to project your own molestation problems by bringing them to other pre-teens.


rofl...

I'm not a pre-teen :P and to my knowledge I was not molested or molested others.

Anyways I love how people get so pissed off at things. When people act like that it showing THEY have some personal problem with the subject matter.

I sense maybe you were a victim at one point? Molested much growing up?

Yea I'll go get help from something that I have control over and NEVER will act on urges cause of my deep Christian beliefs and morals. A magic shot to make me like big boobs over petiteness. Maybe it's even more then that? Attracted to innocence?

Glad there are some mature people here like Detrevni.
"And lets be honest, who hasn't found a 16 year old girl attractive?"

Do some research Gareth male brains are wired to subconsciously seek out female fertility.

I also guess you all think people in countries that have to start having kids at a young age just cause of the very high death rate is morally wrong too?


You all have your fantasies and fetishes. I bet some of you get off on the idea of whips and domination? So who really is in denial here?

Oh, and I'm not only attracted to younger girls I just wanted to see all your reactions. I been turned on by the thought of an older mature experienced women too.

[DoomKitty]

Bill this is no need for you to be insulting people. And there is no reason for others (gareth) to jump on you over a post. Stop acting like children and grow up. :)

<snip>
Yeah, that's an overkill. -Gio

[Gio Takahashi]

Well... talk about blowing things out of proportion.

Everyone has their own taste, fantasy, fetish, and such this is true. Even Pedophilia is a personal taste/fetish or fantasy. People can't help with it, but they enjoy it.

Your all "Sick fucks" IMHO

Interesting thing to say, that you claims that we have sick fucks because of our fantasies. who said that fantasies are wrong? there's nothing wrong with it. There are so many people that share similar taste. Does it make them wrong? Detrevni hit a good point: (Bolded)

Pedophilia is pretty much not cool, but as long as someone who feels that sort of attraction doesn't act on their impulses, it's fine. And lets be honest, who hasn't found a 16 year old girl attractive? (for the guys anyway) As long as we don't go out and try to sleep with her it's fine. But that's not quite pedophilia anyway... now sexual exploitation of kids is wrong and if you feel an attraction to pre-teens or very early teens, then may some therapy is in order.

I'm sure a lot of us felt somewhat attracted to seeing 16 years old. They make themselves look like eye candy, we see it all the time, on TV, on street, and everywhere, especially through media output. I don't think there's anything wrong with being attracted. Hell, I could even understand that some people, a few years older than a 16 year old girl (or boy) would date them. that's fine, I hope that they would have the maturity to keep their pants on.

But it gets even worse that people would even getting off on preteens, and even kindergartens, and sadly, there have been people that would do that. Like Chris said, anyone that finds themselves sexually attracted to preteens or younger have serious problems and need to get help.

though what's amusing to note is that while it is against the law to possess and distribute actual child pornography. Drawn (hentai, etc) is not illegal. Just stating a trivia.

However, acting on pedophilia is immorally wrong. Why? because it is taking advantages of younger kids, permanently and mentally scarring them. They would have to carry the pains and memories of being exploited for their entire lives. I've known people like that, and it will always haunt them, and keeps them from being open to others, because they are scared of others because of some stranger, or even a family member took advantage of them.

Though some people do take things too far. Because of Pedophilia, and so many people that would act on it, most people live in fear and paranoia.

Lastly, It amused me that you took the things people said personally, as if they were accusing you. I can agree that Gareth went overboard, but I'm pretty sure that everyone else were speaking in general. I'm pretty sure that we were all just debating about Pedophilia, just as I have been doing on this post.

Again, don't take debates so personally, and try to "own" us with your overreacting post. although excuse me while I "own" you.

[Mydra]

Emm... Pedophilia is looked so badly by communities. The reason is, I think, quite same it is with other sexual minoritys. When one can't understand something, one can't like it. If it feels wrong... Well, would you think it'd be right?

So, I don't see anything wrong in it. I don't see wrong in heterosexuals. one likes daughter and one mother. Is it wrong to think?

Just, how you want to define it? Is it raping, or is it what wikipedia says?


Fyi, imho lolicon isn't related to strictly pedophilia, it's drawn material.

[BillmasterZ]

So, I don't see anything wrong in it. I don't see wrong in heterosexuals. one likes daughter and one mother. Is it wrong to think?



"one likes daughter and one mother." What do you mean by this are we talking incest here? o.O

Sorry for my overreaction again blame my fever. Off-Topic: I just woke up from some crazy ass dreams about flying in this plane that shit kept going on to it. It is cool to step back and try to find meaning in dreams.

[Gio Takahashi]

Emm... Pedophilia is looked so badly by communities. The reason is, I think, quite same it is with other sexual minoritys. When one can't understand something, one can't like it. If it feels wrong... Well, would you think it'd be right?

So, I don't see anything wrong in it. I don't see wrong in heterosexuals. one likes daughter and one mother. Is it wrong to think?

I don't think it is a wrong thing, for fantasy, however, I do think it is a wrong thing to actually -do it-, 14~17 to an extent, but definitely below 13 years old.

Personally, I see Lolicon as drawn materials as well.

[BillmasterZ]

Ewww 13 is way to young. Plus immature. -_-

" I will probably go to hell for this but.
<snip>"

*Cuts out ovaries as retaliation. o.o*

Edit: Your no fun Charlie. -_-

[BillmasterZ]

I'm pretty much agreeing with everything Gio is saying. Detrevni also made some good points like everyone was pointing out.

Has anyone ever seen that To Catch A Predator show on MSNBC? They set up stings using an actor who pretends to be a teen. She talks to pedophiles on the net and then lures them to the house she's in. That's where the cops catch them. Pretty interesting to watch, I think.


Yea thats why you have to ask them if they are the cops or working for the cops!!!

[DoomKitty]

I personally wouldn't talk to anyone in a way that I have to ask if they are a cop or working for them. If it gets to that point then it's gone to far.

[Gio Takahashi]

Riiight. Like they're going to answer.

[BillmasterZ]

Darn I can't think of the word but there are laws about cops setting one up.
I want to hear more about Mydra (http://www.unitedempire.net/forums/member.php?u=8) and his\her love for Special Mother Daughter relationships. o.O ^^ I guess that stuff is cool in Europe or wherever.

[RabidDove]

i'm reading all these posts and i'm so totally seeing a definition of pedophile that i don't agree with.

definition i'm seeing : under 18 = wrong
my definition = Underdeveloped/prepubescent = wrong

I reached full womanhood at 13. I'll be damned if I couldn't pass for much older than I was. does that make the pervy guys trying to pick me up pedophiles? don't think so. They quickly changed their mind when i rolled my eyes and informed them that i was 13. But i doubt Those men were cruising around looking for some under aged ass to tap. They saw (big)boobies and way too little clothes and pounced.

When i see an 19-20 year old with a 15-17 year old i'm not thinking "pedophile" i'm thinking "they are having so much sex" If he or she is pretty much past the starting to show secondary sexual characteristics then you cannot see them as the "child i want to do dirty things to"

the people who are sick in the head like the little girls and boys who look like nothing but a "little girl/boy"


you don't magically turn into a smoking hot adult at 17-18.. it develops over time. and some people get there WAY before 18.

[Mydra]

Darn I can't think of the word but there are laws about cops setting one up.
I want to hear more about Mydra (http://www.unitedempire.net/forums/member.php?u=8) and his\her love for Special Mother Daughter relationships. o.O ^^ I guess that stuff is cool in Europe or wherever.

Sorry, I'm not into that kind of stuff.

http://kuvat.smar.fi/minipics/3839Hayate158.jpeg (http://kuvat.smar.fi/scrnshot/Anime/Hayate/Hayate158.jpeg)

[BillmasterZ]

Sorry, I'm not into that kind of stuff.

http://kuvat.smar.fi/minipics/3839Hayate158.jpeg (http://kuvat.smar.fi/scrnshot/Anime/Hayate/Hayate158.jpeg)


"one likes daughter and one mother. Is it wrong to think? " What did you mean by this then?

What are you into guro?! ^^ He He Don't worry I see all!!! :P
Don't lie about what your "into". Is that pic a boy or a girl? :P

[Gio Takahashi]

I'm betting that's a man.

definition i'm seeing : under 18 = wrong
my definition = Underdeveloped/prepubescent = wrong

I reached full womanhood at 13. I'll be damned if I couldn't pass for much older than I was. does that make the pervy guys trying to pick me up pedophiles? don't think so. They quickly changed their mind when i rolled my eyes and informed them that i was 13. But i doubt Those men were cruising around looking for some under aged ass to tap. They saw (big)boobies and way too little clothes and pounced.

While this is true, I was mostly going for legal definition of pedophile is younger than 18.

Hence part of the reason why I said this:

Though some people do take things too far. Because of Pedophilia, and so many people that would act on it, most people live in fear and paranoia.

There are definitely cases where Men would get in trouble just because they're 19 and had sex with a 15 or 16 year old girl. But what about those that are 30, and 40 years old, and dating 15 or 16 years old? there's a certain point where lines must be crossed.

[Mydra]

Gio's right, Hayate desu.

BillmasterZ, I'll soon stop answering to you if you don't want to write understandable english. That's just pointless.

http://kuvat.smar.fi/minipics/477754b7ca8d4d26e5bcfd24189c6c4cf43a.jpeg (http://kuvat.smar.fi/Anime/Hayate/54b7ca8d4d26e5bcfd24189c6c4cf43a.jpeg)
Hayate is lovely.

And to ”topic”...
I see underage sex wrong only if both aren't really sure about it. How to define ”sure”... I once was forced to think about it a lot. But I don't yet have an answer... So, maybe it is when two doesn't have any objections.

Any of you knew that people are different? Some people ”is ready” to do it at 13 year old, others aren't.

[BillmasterZ]

"But what about those that are 30, and 40 years old, and dating 15 or 16 years old?"

That's when Charlie and I cut their balls off or take out ovaries. o.o

[Gio Takahashi]

really wish you would use the [quote] tags.

I think 13 years old is way too young for sex. Even if they feel they are ready.

[BillmasterZ]

Dude I was quoting you.



So, I don't see anything wrong in it. I don't see wrong in heterosexuals. one likes daughter and one mother. Is it wrong to think?



Something you still have not made sense of!!

Not answering me is grounds to piss me off and I will take action.

DO NOT TEST ME OR MAKE ME ANGRY!!!

[DoomKitty]

I'm pretty sure what he means by that is one likes the younger girls (daughter) and one likes older women (mother).

Really, It's not that hard to make sense of.

[Gio Takahashi]

Give him a break, bill. I don't think English was his first language. And I agree with Doomkitty, I think that is what he's trying to say.

[BillmasterZ]

I will give him one "break" only for DoomKitty's and Gio's Sake. He better consider himself lucky that I like you two!!!

Also don't edit out my finnish you had no Idea what I was saying. All I said is that I don't speak it well. :P

kuolema kuolema kuolema
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Mydra

[Mydra]

Erm, taking quotations from all posts is so time consuming that I don't feel doing it...

English isn't my first language, that should be just too obvious... :)

DoomKitty cleared up it to the idiots.

Gio, I didn't say(atleast meant) that it is when they _think_ it is okay. It's obvious, but, erm, why adults are ready to have sex?

[BillmasterZ]

Erm, taking quotations from all posts is so time consuming that I don't feel doing it...

English isn't my first language, that should be just too obvious... :)

DoomKitty cleared up it to the idiots.

Gio, I didn't say(atleast meant) that it is when they _think_ it is okay. It's obvious, but, erm, why adults are ready to have sex?


Man you get harder to understand each post.

[Jasmin Jaquine]

Get back on track, people, or feel the mighty closing door of Jasmin.

[Charlie]

Elaborating more on my behalf: age of consent in my mind is 16 and up. Whether the law says it or not. Below 16, you're still a kid in my mind. And a LOT of people don't have that descrepancy with certain things before then. Hell, for me, I didn't even start grasping the CONCEPT of common sense until then. And so far, it's taken me four years to get to a point where I'm a normal, mature adult. And there's still areas, I'll admit, where I need work. But I won't go into that here.

Below 16, though, you're still trying to figure out who you are, yourself. And while that's how things are by nature, it doesn't always mean you're ready for sex. Which is my way of saying I disagree with what RabidDove is saying with her definition of a pedophile. You may look like an adult, but it sure as hell doesn't make you one. And in the event that you got someone pregnant, sick, whatever, that's another thing they've got to live with. And as they get older, the guilt gets overwhelming for some, and so on, so fourth. Jumbled as this is, it should make sense what I'm getting at. If not, you're stupid. Stupid as you'd be to fuck anyone under 16, or make any sexual advances on them. Or to accept your feelings as a common sense direction where you should be going on every avenue.

And where it makes you just a dumbass between 13 - 16, going even FURTHER beyond that, the THOUGHT of it even just makes me sick. Seriously, to fuck a kid, or even be accepting of those kind of thoughts without any sort of resistance or restraint is just plain sick. And you're not any better than a fucking terrorist, murderer, or rapist if you let yourself think like that, or live like that. And I don't give a fuck who you are, if I ever SEE or HEAR OF anybody doing that shit to a kid that I know, the absolute SECOND I have contact with them again, and the resources for doing so are available, I will kill them. No joke, either. No bullshit 911/police/court/counseling/etc. Just a long ass torture session, and a bullet to the head when I'm done.

To be sick enough to do that to a child. That's as low as you can possibly go, in my mind. If you were going around digging up corpses and fucking them, it wouldn't be this bad even. Still sick, and bad, and death warranting in my mind, but not like this. They're our future, and God gave them to us to take care of, and guide them on the way to it. And to do this to them is inexcusable. To THINK of doing it is inexcusable. You may as well commit yourself to a mental facility of some kind, or shoot yourself in the head if you're like that, and can't contain yourself.

[BillmasterZ]

Gio's right, Hayate desu.


http://kuvat.smar.fi/minipics/477754b7ca8d4d26e5bcfd24189c6c4cf43a.jpeg (http://kuvat.smar.fi/Anime/Hayate/54b7ca8d4d26e5bcfd24189c6c4cf43a.jpeg)
Hayate is lovely.

And to ?topic?...
I see underage sex wrong only if both aren't really sure about it. How to define ?sure?... I once was forced to think about it a lot. But I don't yet have an answer...





I would like to know how you were "forced". This should be interesting. You like a young person or were you that young person?

[BillmasterZ]

Holy crap Charlie that was one of the most intense posts I ever read.

Duo is right though and brings up a point not yet discussed.

[DoomKitty]

This is a debate thread not a post pictures thread. If you want to post anime pics or whatever do it in the correct forum. Kthanks.

[Detrevni]

HAY GUYS LETS TURN UEF INTO 4CHAN THAT WOULD BE SO COOL LOLZ

MUDKIPZ!!!!!!! LOL !!!!!111ONE ONE ELEVEN

[Gio Takahashi]

HAY GUYS LETS TURN UEF INTO 4CHAN THAT WOULD BE SO COOL LOLZ

MUDKIPZ!!!!!!! LOL !!!!!111ONE ONE ELEVEN


I thought the same thing when I saw Mudkipz. I was like "wtf we're getting Btards now?"

[Chalmecatl]

Basing the maturity level of an entire populous, and indeed, an entire species on age alone is unbelievably silly and a manner of thinking that should be done away with in every single regard except for legally (where it's necessary for practical purposes, though I still disagree with it).

And my thoughts on pedophilia are: so long as a given person is mature enough I don't think it matters what age they are. Nor do I see anything inherently wrong with finding 'younger' people physically attractive, so long as such people have enough sense to not act on their fantasies.

[RabidDove]

i figure if both parties are totally ok with it then who am i to sayb no... I have dated guys 8 years older than myself... 20 w/ a 28 year old... theres the ew factor, but whatever floats your boat.

[Killer_Man_]

I have to agree with rabiddove, there are so many of my friends dating 16-18 year olds, and if it was such a problem, the parents of the said child(Mind you this is on both sides, younger guys dating older women and visa versa), would say something. Do they? No, because they can't really stop it and most kids especially teens will do what they want when they want. THat is why I am happy with my parents cause as soon as I turned 16, and especially 18/21. That my parents really gave me permission to do as I please and remember that I will be paying if I fuck up, especially legally.

I think anyone my age or older who dates 13/14/15 is a bad thing but will I stop it? No, as long as the parents are informed of the truth and are ok with it. Why stop it? The parents techincally own the child till they are of 'consent' age or better yet 18.

When I was 14, I dated a senior who was 19, is that wrong? Should she be called a 'sick fucker' for no reason? Come on now, we didn't even have sex cause she respected my wishes.

Everything floats someone else's boat, there is no right or wrong unless it's very OBVIOUS OBVIOUSLY WRONG.

Besides, as I think it was Ravin put it, there are many 13-16 year old girls who look like they are way older especially with the way they dress and many of them will notify you or even show you thier school ID/state ID card just to say hey I'm underage and I don't think this is right. Then again, I'm an asshole like that, to ask for ID when I am unsure of the age of the girl.

[BillmasterZ]

Jeez I love how the mods choose to pick on me. My pictures were related to the topic, and I just wanted to help Charlie to the loliside... A test nothing more I was not aiming to insult.

Delete my pics then please Delete ALL the pics in this thread.

[Killer_Man_]

/crymore Bill?

Anyway, as long as if you are willing to say it's wrong for ANYONE, I will more than likely agree, I just had the whole arguement where someone says it's wrong for a guy to date a younger woman but it's ok for a guy to date way older women or even to have sex.

[BillmasterZ]

No.

[Jasmin Jaquine]

Keep it in check. This is a discussion, try to keep the personal shots out of this unless you are actually adding something.