John McCain or Barack Hussein Obama [Archive]

Charlie

06-17-2008, 02:34

If McCain wins, we're fucked right off the bat. It'd be like having Bush in office a third and/or fourth term. Needless to say, near the end of the third, I'd expect to see the cost of living be WAY WAY WAY worse than now, war on our own doorstep, etc. Chaos everywhere. Literally. Maybe not as exaggerated as "off the bat", though. But it'll definitely happen sooner or later. And most likely sooner, if he's elected.

If Obama wins, as much as I don't like the guy, it'll be a slight upper hand. But only for a short while. In the beginning, he'll be like God's own gift to the country. Lower gas prices, lower living cost, MAYBE getting out of the war, and so on. But all the good that becomes of his presidency, will also be the bad. Somewhere near the end of his first term, or probably after his second begins sometime, I see it all gradually blowing up again. At the same level we're at now, or considering 4 - 8 years from now, worse. Way worse. I think with everybody coddling him everywhere though, he's already won. >.>

Personally, my beliefs fell more on Fred Thompson and Ron Paul, when they were still in the race. Either one of them winning would've been good. And while Obama's the slight-upper-hand with what we've been dealt, I want to see neither him or McCain win. But it has to be one, so life or death, it's Obama.

Killer_Man_

06-17-2008, 03:21

The only problem I see with Obama winning, is he'll be the first black man assassinated cause I can see some red neck driving a truck with propane tanks into him, his house or something.

DoomKitty

06-17-2008, 03:47

For me it will all depend on their running mates. I don't care for either...So maybe if their running mates are good someone will get assassinated and someone else will get in. haha

RonDo

06-17-2008, 08:38

Not looking forward to this election and upcoming 4 years.

Gio Takahashi

06-17-2008, 09:13

Only thing I'm looking forward is the end of Bush's reign of terror.

Jack Gradus

06-17-2008, 10:36

I want neither to win.

Republicans don't like McCain or Obama. Democrats don't like McCain. Obama will win by default. But third party candidates will account for between ten and twenty percept of the popular vote.

You must be out of your mind. I will be back in a few months to laugh at you. It's a long, long time before third party candidates are more a blip on the radar of American elections.

Weren't you blaming me for dangerous over generalizations just a few days ago? I live in rural Massachusetts and have plenty of Democrat friends who love McCain.

To the author of the thread: why not call McCain John Sidney McCain III?

Bloodcinder

06-17-2008, 12:08

Jack, my validation of public opinion of McCain and Obama is based on nationally reported polls that you can find if you need to do so. Colloquialism allows me to state the data the way I did. This is hardly a formal venue.

In 1992, Ross Perot received 19% of the popular vote running against Bill Clinton and George Bush, each a popular candidate. In an election between McCain and Obama, each unpopular in many circles, when so much of the population is disenchanted with both the Republicans and the Democrats, the Libertarians and Greens can easily steal from the Republicans and Democrats respectively a combined total of 10%. (I capped them at 20% because I don't think they can achieve that much.) Also consider that the Libertarian candidate this time is actually the well-known Bob Barr.

It is not becoming to get so riled up. Calm down.

Jack Gradus

06-17-2008, 12:46

Who's angry?

19% is more or less meaningless, and calling Bush a popular candidate is a stretch since he is one of the few to miss a second term.

Either way, I will be back to let you know - trust me.

Bloodcinder

06-17-2008, 13:04

I've been wrong on many occasions. Feel free to laugh at me whenever you want. It will prove that you win at the internet so much more than I do. Hehe.

Seegtease

06-17-2008, 20:43

I'm with Bloodcinder. Well not with-with him, well. You know. Arg.

Seriously though. Lots of people hate the candidates. Many republicans dislike both, and there will be democrats bitter that Obama beat Hillary. If there's any chance for other parties to make the map, it's right now. And the sooner voters realize they have more than two candidates, the sooner... I dunno. The sooner something.

Bloodcinder

06-17-2008, 20:48

I'm with Bloodcinder. Well not with-with him, well. You know. Arg.
Don't deny your true passions, H----r.

Seegtease

06-17-2008, 21:55

You may not like boobs. After all, you said it.

Manboobs like are on huuuuhhnter

Ooompa loompa?
Double Post
What? We don't even have curves anymore.

Bloodcinder

06-17-2008, 23:10

You just blew my mind, but certainly not my load.

SpaceProg

06-18-2008, 01:17

You gays and your oversexed shenanigans.

Bloodcinder

06-18-2008, 01:21

It's all about penis penis penis with us queers, non-stop, twenty-four hours a day. And John McCain wants to end the good times! That's why I'm voting for Hillary.

Detrevni

06-18-2008, 03:46

LAWL you mean obama No way is hilary gonna get teh nomination

kell

06-18-2008, 16:04

I think Obama just might pull it off. But not as easily as early polls are showing. I am not fully knowledgeable and therefore quotable on this, but I feel as though a lot of rural and, for lack of a better word at the moment, redneck-y areas of the country are not well represented, but might make their voices/votes better heard on election day. These are areas more likely to show a racist slant.

Again, this is speculation. But I think Obama's going to have a harder time than he might think and any small fuck ups now, he'll might seriously damage, or even destroy, any chances he now has.

Seegtease

06-18-2008, 22:55

I already know Obama will win, I just hope this is a good catalyst for people to realize the other parties. McCain has no chance at all.

06-18-2008, 23:11

If the Republicans are truly dumb enough to run McCain (I'm still not convinced he'll be the nominee necessarily), Obama will win.
Unless I'm mistaken, McCain has the nom on lock. His only other opposition is Ron Paul and Paul might as well be Nadar for all the good he's doing in the race (though Paul might very well be out of the race right now)

Bloodcinder pretty much nailed it with his first post but there was an interesting turn of events when Hillary said she was stepping back...

A lot of her supporters went to McCain rather than Obama.

I, personally, don't like either and as some have said, I think the running mates are going to be the deal maker/breaker for me. Obama has, what, 1 US Senate Term under his belt and McCain is just an ass who has wanted to be president for years, no matter which party he would have to run as (http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/democrats-say-mccain-nearly-abandoned-gop-2007-03-28.html).

Fudge 'Em Both.

Gio Takahashi

06-18-2008, 23:13

I really wouldn't say "Obama got this in the bag." Elections can be quite unpredictable. when the Democrats took the house, it was a very close call, despite how everyone thought the democrats would win it.

Arainach

06-19-2008, 01:42

Actually, the Democrats took the House by quite a decent margin, better than people expected. They took the Senate very closely, which no one expected.

Gio Takahashi

06-19-2008, 02:14

that was what I was refering to actually. It was pretty damn close.

Arainach

06-19-2008, 02:55

They were never predicted to win the Senate. That was an absolute shock.

deathofcheese

06-19-2008, 19:55

Well, at least whoever gets the most votes will get the office.

Oh wait....isn't that how we got the last president? And again?

If the vote tampering "phenomenon" were to happen again, which way do you guys think it would swing?

06-19-2008, 20:08

I think people were just ignorant during the Bush elections. It was like no one had ever even heard of the Electoral College and how voting works. Then, of course, there was this big stink over Gore winning the popular but losing the election and then, the very next cycle, Bush won both the popular and electoral and everyone instantly was hushed.

*shrugs*

I don't believe the popular vote will conflict with the electoral vote this time around. I don't think it will be that close of an election, really, at this point. I can't necessarily say who will be on top and who won't but I have a good feeling whoeer wins is going to win by a significant amount.

tjkitsune

06-20-2008, 09:44

I don't think it matters... I just feel sorry for whomever is elected when he has to give the big speach that the world will end on Dec. 21, 2012 a week before it happens..

Detrevni

06-23-2008, 17:13

Why doso many people believe the mayan calendar? They obviously weren't all that advanced.. I mean where are they now? Dead.

How many world ending dates does that calendar have anyway?

Killer_Man_

06-23-2008, 17:39

I don't think many do, besides, the way I see it is that the Mayans could have thought that is when their society crashes or perhaps with the invasion of the spanish(Was it spanish) they saw no reason to continue their calender.

Either way it's going to be interesting the next 8 years.

deathofcheese

06-23-2008, 20:35

Whoa whoa whoa, let's not get too hasty here. We only elect them in four year runs. While it's a good possibility the election could go to the incumbent, we're not quite there yet.

Arainach

06-23-2008, 21:54

Whoa whoa whoa, let's not get too hasty here. We only elect them in four year runs. While it's a good possibility the election could go to the incumbent, we're not quite there yet.Actually, no, there's no chance the election could go to the incumbent - 22nd Amendment and all that.

06-23-2008, 21:58

What are you talking about, Ary? Obama's first term would be 2008 - 2012. His second term (as a re-elected incumbent) would be 2012-2016. 4 years each.

Arainach

06-23-2008, 22:01

I must be confused, then, because last I checked we were talking about this election cycle.

And let's be honest here: Barring Obama getting elected then assassinated, the next president will be there for 8 years, because there are two options:

* Obama is elected and rather popular
* People are dumb enough to vote for McCain, proving once and for all that we don't learn from history, and we elect Republicans from here until the country falls apart in 30 years.

deathofcheese

06-23-2008, 22:03

Yes, I meant the next President not necessarily going to be reelected. I know Bush can't (legally) take another term.

06-23-2008, 22:04

^ Beat me to it

Bloodcinder

06-23-2008, 22:39

You left out a third option, Ary. Obama gets elected twice and then the country falls apart. I'm waiting for that one to happen!

Arainach

06-23-2008, 23:00

Oh, I'm not saying he'll fix everything. Far from it. I'm just saying that if we elect McCain, I officially surrender the last tiny fragments of hope I've held on to.

Jack Gradus

11-06-2008, 08:00

There you go, Linear Helix.

Bloodcinder

11-06-2008, 11:40

My blood! He... he punched out all of my blood!

SpaceProg

11-06-2008, 12:59

... I don't get it.

Bloodcinder

11-06-2008, 14:36

Remember a few months ago when I was being hopeful that there would be far more third party votes than were realistic, and this guy who apparently knows me from the olden days decided to be a little bitch? Well, he came back to be a little bitch. Read through the thread and experience it. He punched my dick clear off my body with his powerful power.

SpaceProg

11-06-2008, 15:34

Ahh. M'kay.

11-06-2008, 16:05

Lawl, I wish I had that kinda time on my hands where I would mark my calendar to remind me to establish closure on an internet debate.

Jack is clearly full of win. :rolleyes:

Bloodcinder

11-06-2008, 19:30

Yeah, I especially like how he hides behind a name I'm not familiar with but obviously knows me from before and uses that to extend his penis by a factor of at least John Holmes. His penis is so long, after he punched my dick off and punched out all of my blood, he managed to mouth-bang me with his humongous, mop-length penis. He's something special. It's too bad none of the rest of us have so much penis. Somebody needs to get this man a trophy, but it'll have to be a trophy that looks like something really outstanding and worthy of winning the entire internet, like his own penis bronzed.

Cock.

SpaceProg

11-06-2008, 19:36

I've had reproductive biology classes with less usage of the word "penis".

Phallus.

Bloodcinder

11-06-2008, 19:45

Well, when you're around someone like Jack Gradus, the only thing that comes to mind is his massive, towering schlong, nearly prehensile in its grandeur. When he was raping me with his pork sword after I was wrong, I couldn't help but think, "Damn, I was so wrong, but it's a great privilege to have Jack Gradus prove to me just how wrong I was using his gargantuan flesh dowel. It's an honor I will never forget." Of course, by then he had punched all of my blood out, so I was getting a little dizzy, and then I lost my dick, but my thoughts were still on him and how insanely much I envy him for being right and for having such a splendidly eminent purple-headed yogurt slinger. So that excuses why I said "Jack Gradus" so much. I mean "penis"! Wow. How did I do that? The terms must be inextricably tied together in my mind now, because he's such a huge

ly impressive adversary."

SpaceProg

11-06-2008, 20:42

KRD. Funny as hell though.

Jack Gradus

11-27-2008, 20:57

Why are you so angry, bro? I disagreed with your prediction; you were wrong by a mile, and I came back to remind you. No anger.

I knew you some time ago, yeah, but so what? People assume a spectral existence on the internet. I don't start each of my online encounters with lengthy descriptions of my real life to make sure everything is in the clear. Should I? Besides, if you are so thrown off by this, why don't you just ask me who I am?

I bet you would have found your rant ridiculous years ago. What's happened?

I always found you an interesting, civil guy -- no need to change that now.

Bloodcinder

11-27-2008, 21:11

I'm pretty civil. For example, I did not rant: I lampooned, showing the humor of the situation through satire. That's pretty civil.

However, you called me "Linear Helix" specifically to show that you have some power over me in the form of information. That's not very civil. It's also not civil to schedule one's deliveries of comeuppance.

Feel free to tell me who you are, but I don't have any particular reason to care. Although I guess that's not very civil of me.

11-27-2008, 21:13

Why are you so angry, bro? I disagreed with your prediction; you were wrong by a mile, and I came back to remind you.Jack, if you're not intelligent enough to conceive a notion that might explain an angry reaction from you saying "You were off by a mile. I just came back to gloat" then I don't think you have any room to lord your prediction over anyone else's. Clearly, if this is the case, you are socially challenged.

It's just you gloating which makes you look asinine and is completely unnecessary. Are you under the impression that he forgot how he thought the election was going to turn out only days after it was over and decided do dedicate yourself and your time to correcting a horrible wrong? Or is it more like you wanted to measure your e-peen and even marked the calendar for the date to return? Asinine, right?

Wait, why is this thread still open? The election is over. The discussion is over. You can send Private Messages if you wish to continue your discussion with BC.