Four weeks away

[Gio Takahashi]

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THESE extraordinary new pictures show the world's first pregnant man—captured just four weeks from the birth of his baby girl.

In an exclusive and moving interview with the News of the World, sex-change dad Thomas Beatie and his wife Nancy tell of their joy. And he reveals unseen family snaps of his astonishing early life as a teenage beauty queen.

"I feel fantastic," he said. "I cannot wait to see my baby's face."

In a tender and intimate moment, Thomas shares a cuddle with wife Nancy—before telling the News of the World of his secret hopes for the future.

With four weeks to go, he sensationally reveals the couple are ready to have MORE BABIES after the birth of their daughter.




Ooookay. I'm at a loss for words now.

[Bloodcinder]

Disturbing? Two people, one self-identifying as a man and the other self-identifying as a woman, want to have a child and raise it in a typical nuclear family. Why is that disturbing?

[Gio Takahashi]

Well, I guess the better word to describe it would be 'shocking' than disturbing. that article really caught me off guard.

[Bloodcinder]

I can understand that. I think that would have been a better choice of adjective. Transgender issues are often shocking to those unfamiliar.

[RonDo]

If the "man" was one at birth physically, then I'd be more shocked. Ho hum. I can only imagine what this kid's peer are gonna put her through.

[Seegtease]

I saw that in the tabloids some time ago. My question is, did he get the sex change so he could get married, or just because he wanted to? I presume he kept genitalia, unless he had sperm implanted or something. I dunno. It's weird to me.

[Bloodcinder]

He used to be a lesbian woman in a relationship with his future wife. He kept his female genitalia. I don't think he did it so that he could get married. He could have done that in several places. I think it's more that he came to identify as transgendered but did not want to ruin his relationship with his partner who is a lesbian. This way he gets to experience life as a man and his partner gets to sleep with the same person she was in love with. That's my analysis.

[Frozen]

His nipples shouldn't be allowd to be shown? not on this board but you know.Why is this guy nipples are allow but womans arn't? There the same thing.

[Bloodcinder]

Because he's a man and society says it's okay to see a man's nipples but not a woman's because society subjugates women?

[Frozen]

Because he's a man and society says it's okay to see a man's nipples but not a woman's because society subjugates women?
But man and womans nipples don't look any different.

How is this shocking? any ways it's a person that had a sex change so what?

Why do gay people or people whith sex changes get such flak?

[Bloodcinder]

They get flack because they are different and people hate those who are different from them.

Really, this shouldn't be shocking. In fact, it's kind of annoying. Nobody would even know that their family was not entirely typical if they had not gone public with this.

And male and female nipples often look a lot different. But that's not why there's a prohibition of female nipples. It's because historically men are possessive of their women. Our society operates under that male-dominated legacy.

[Seegtease]

Damn, frozen, have you even seen a woman's nipples?

[Bloodcinder]

I like to rearrange the words you just said into "Have you ever seen a woman's frozen nipples? Damn!"

[Frozen]

Damn, frozen, have you even seen a woman's nipples?
I have over 20 adult sites saved. So yes and not just pitcures.

[Seegtease]

I like to rearrange the words you just said into "Have you ever seen a woman's frozen nipples? Damn!"

I'm happy I already swallowed my water before I read that.

[Frozen]

*looks at the pictures*

Ooohh i get it she want'd to be a man so he could have armpit hair.

[Bloodcinder]

Baby Born to ‘Dad’ Home from Hospital (http://biggaynews.com/baby-born-to-dad-home-from-hospital/2008)

July 07th, 2008

BEND, Ore., July 3 (UPI) — A source who got a look at the new baby born to a transgender man in Oregon told ABC News Thursday that the bundle of joy was “really pretty.”

“She’s really cute, really pretty,” the source said, adding that proud parents Thomas and Nancy Beatie remained at home resting and getting acquainted with the newborn girl.

The story of the world’s first pregnant man culminated last Sunday when Thomas gave birth naturally at St. Charles Medical Center in Bend.

Thomas, 34, was born female and underwent a sex-change operation that left her reproductive organs intact. Insemination was performed artificially.

ABC said the couple was seen leaving the hospital in apparent good health, although he appeared tired and let a nurse carry the baby for him.

? 2008 United Press International, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Looks like the baby is fine.

[Seegtease]

If he could deliver a baby naturally, how could he be considered a man?

[Bloodcinder]

Guess you didn't read the rest of the thread. He identifies as a man, therefore we respect that and identify him as a man.

[Seegtease]

I can say I'm a woman and be a woman?

[Bloodcinder]

If you become one in society and you legally change your gender, yes. You have to realize that nobody would know Thomas Beatie was born a woman if he hadn't been involved in this unfortunate media scene. He lives his life as a man now.

If gender is based on what's inside a person's pants, fully one percent of the population is (no pun intended) screwed, because that's how many people have indeterminate genitalia. Gender is about how you feel and how you portray yourself, and even that is merely a social construct.

[Seegtease]

Obviously it makes sense for indeterminate gender to be determined by the individual. But when you have something so blatant as a working penis or vagina, it seems pretty clear.

[Bloodcinder]

The genitalia aren't always what's "broken." Sometimes the brain seems to be wired for a different body. These people feel that they are not "right," that they are somehow mismatched. When they commit to years of therapy, social reorientation, and, sometimes, operations, they have done more than enough to earn our respect and courtesy to identify them how they wish to be identified.

[llama_egg]

This thread has officially made my head hurt. And I feel slightly scared.

[RonDo]

Hooray for the woman turned man on 'his' birth and I am glad everything has seemingly gone ok..but I have not given them my respect.

[deathofcheese]

If you become one in society and you legally change your gender, yes. You have to realize that nobody would know Thomas Beatie was born a woman if he hadn't been involved in this unfortunate media scene. He lives his life as a man now.

If gender is based on what's inside a person's pants, fully one percent of the population is (no pun intended) screwed, because that's how many people have indeterminate genitalia. Gender is about how you feel and how you portray yourself, and even that is merely a social construct.We studied this in my sociology class. You may have male genitalia, making your sex 'male', but you could be completely female in your mind, making your gender 'female'. It was confusing to me at first too, largely because I was surfing the internet when my professor was lecturing about it. I had to go back and listen to my notes later on to get the statement she made straight and also research it a bit in my textbook.

[EndlessSky]

My opinion is that bodily functions and genitalia is what determines if your a man or a woman because in my eyes people are people be it man or woman they are still a person.

If you have the body of man and your brain and or hormones think you are a woman than clearly something is wrong with you. That is logical common sense.

I respect peoples views and opinions but that is wrong on the level of how the human body works and is suppose to work.

I think people today are too afraid of not being politically correct even if it is beyond absurd.

I for one am not gonna accept this as decent and normal behavior because as I said the only thing that really determines if you are a man or a woman is your hormones and body and since this person has manipulated its own body it is neither male or female but a hybrid of both now and to me I don't see how that should be considered as normal of acceptable behavior.

If our species were suppose to be androgynous we would have been born that way.

[Bloodcinder]

If you have the body of man and your brain and or hormones think you are a woman than clearly something is wrong with you. That is logical common sense.
Technically, yes, something is wrong because the various wiring of the body is not synced together. It needs to be repaired. That involves living a life that conforms to the mind's view of gender, not the body's, and may involve bringing the body physically in line with what the brain assumes it has for a body.

It's called gender dimorphism. The alternative is to let them live unhappy lives. I think the greater good is to set aside our views of what is normal or not and let them do what they want for their own happiness. Part of allowing them to do that is respecting who they feel they are.

My opinion is that bodily functions and genitalia is what determines if your a man or a woman because in my eyes people are people be it man or woman they are still a person.

If our species were suppose to be androgynous we would have been born that way.
One percent of the population, millions of people, are born not conforming to the male/female norm for the population. Fully four to seven percent are not born conforming to the opposite-sexuality norm. And countless others are born not conforming to the fertile norm. How do you overlook that?

I for one am not gonna accept this as decent and normal behavior because as I said the only thing that really determines if you are a man or a woman is your hormones and body and since this person has manipulated its own body it is neither male or female but a hybrid of both now and to me I don't see how that should be considered as normal of acceptable behavior.
It's easy to be so sure of what is "normal" when you don't have any problem with your own sexuality, which I am assuming is the case for you. Obviously, nobody is suggesting that people who are comfortable in their own gender reassign themselves; such an act is only for those who need it, which is not you or me. But I assure you that what is not decent and acceptable behavior is calling people "it" because you refuse to grant them the common courtesy of humanity.

Most of this applies to what RonDo said as well. I don't know what they did to you to fall outside of your ability to respect.

[RonDo]

Most of this applies to what RonDo said as well. I don't know what they did to you to fall outside of your ability to respect.

My ability to respect is just fine, but not quite dandy. Or perhaps it is dandy yet not very fine. In any case, I have nothing really against what they did.

But to respect them as individuals for what they went through to do this? The pain and suffering, and agony, and all that. It was their choice to go through with all of that and good for them. I'm not just going to simply dole out respect for something like that. My respect for someone is a bit more difficult to earn and is usually revered for those I personally know or am personally affected by.

[Bloodcinder]

I see what you are saying, RonDo: that they don't deserve any special notoriety or encouragement. Yes, that's true. They deserve only to be treated like any other couple wishing to have a child. So I apologize for misunderstanding you.

[Gio Takahashi]

Blame it on the media, if it's unusual, they'll cover it.

[RonDo]

I see what you are saying, RonDo: that they don't deserve any special notoriety or encouragement. Yes, that's true. They deserve only to be treated like any other couple wishing to have a child. So I apologize for misunderstanding you.

To be perfectly honest, when this story first broke out..I found it to be a bit fascinating however as the media exposure kept pouring on, I found it to be a bit irksome and grew tired of the story. They were on this show and that show, soaking up the fame and I found it to be a little over the top. I'm sure a book deal has already been made.

The media will cover anything they think will get them increased "share".

[Gio Takahashi]

Right, only thing 'unusual' is that a man, that used to be a woman, and still have female reproductive organs gave birth to a baby. Only thing out of the ordinary is that the man saw himself as a woman, and cut off the boobs, biologically, that's still a woman. This is why I don't get the massive fame out of this, because as I read this, my response is "err, who cares? it's just a transgendered man, that just kept the reproductive organs."

[Killer_Man_]

And I think the rest are trying to say is that they can 'respect' them as people but doesn't mean they agree with it.

Much like I don't agree with gays and their lifestyles but it doesn't mean that I am going to go out on gay hunts, say they are going to hell, that they should change their life styles and etc.

Yanno?

EDIT:

I knew about two girls in my HS who had little to no chest, small waist and etc. They were born basically androgynous. They both easily fooled me the first time I saw them in class cause they both cut their hair short for whatever reason. I just saw them alone in class while others banter so I walked over to talk, made me the 'public enemy' because I would befriend those who everyone hated or disliked cause of how 'they looked'.

But meh, they are really great people. They think they are female which they are but look more like a little boy.

So really, endless, people can be borned that way that they have a penis or a vagina but still end up looking like they could swing either or.

[Bloodcinder]

And I think the rest are trying to say is that they can 'respect' them as people but doesn't mean they agree with it.

Much like I don't agree with gays and their lifestyles but it doesn't mean that I am going to go out on gay hunts, say they are going to hell, that they should change their life styles and etc.

Yanno?
I don't think that's what RonDo is trying to say at all. RonDo is saying that there's nothing noteworthy about two people trying to get pregnant to warrant any kind of sympathy, and that's true. I don't think he's making any quality judgment at all.

And, although I really do appreciate your lack of hatred for gays, please avoid referring to us as having a particular "lifestyle" unless you're also going to refer to the identical twin lifestyle, black lifestyle, female lifestyle, bipolar lifestyle, left-handed lifestyle, and, for a change, the leukemia lifestyle.

[Killer_Man_]

How is it not a lifestyle though?

I have a straight male life style, you have a gay male life style. I don't see what the fuss is.

[Bloodcinder]

Because nobody ever refers to the straight lifestyle. "Lifestyle" is a loaded word which people use to refer to those who are doing it wrong. Even if you don't mean that, most people do. I'm telling you that gay people don't like to be told they have a particular lifestyle. I assure you my lifestyle has more in common with yours than with that of most gay people. Therefore I encourage you not to use that word in that context if you also wish to appear as positive about gay people as you apparently are.

[Gio Takahashi]

The ONLY thign that sets Gay men from straight men is their sexual orientation, how is it a whole different life style?

[Z]

THESE extraordinary new pictures show the world's first pregnant man—captured just four weeks from the birth of his baby girl.
Well, s/he's pregnant again.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=6244878&page=1
Barbara Walters Exclusive: Pregnant Man Expecting Second Child
In First Interview Since Giving Birth, Thomas Beatie Tells Barbara Walters About Life With Daughter Susan

Thomas Beatie, the controversial "pregnant man" who gave birth to a daughter earlier this year, reveals to Barbara Walters in an exclusive interview that he is pregnant again with his second child.

Thomas Beatie, a transgender, welcomed a baby girl, Susan, June 29. Since sharing the story of Susan's birth with ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5302756&page=1), he and his wife, Nancy Beatie, hadn't spoken to the media until they sat down last month with Walters. Thomas Beatie, who is in his first trimester, tells Walters he did not go back on the male hormone testosterone after Susan's birth so he could have another baby.


"I feel good," he said. "I had my checkups with my hormone level, as far as the HCG. And everything is right on track." He says the baby is due June 12. Thomas Beatie also spoke to Walters about Susan's birth, which was not via Caesarean section. He was in labor for 40 hours; Nancy Beatie cut the umbilical cord.

There's more to the article if people want to read it. Just click the link.

[Bloodcinder]

It's less "didn't want to go back on the hormones so he could have another baby" and more like "wanted to have another baby and wouldn't be able to do it after going back on the hormones."

Like any couple with with kids a year apart, I think to myself... oh my gosh, do you need to pop them out that quick? I guess if it makes him happy, whatever.