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RonDo
06-30-2008, 12:42
The Pentagon has drafted a secret plan that would send U.S. special forces into the wild tribal regions of Pakistan to capture or kill Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, but the White House has balked at giving the mission a green light, The New York Times reported today.

The Bush administration, which has seven months left in its term, gave the go-ahead for the military to draw up the plan to take the war on terror across the Afghan border and into the mountains of Pakistan where bin Laden is believed to be hiding, according to the newspaper.

Intelligence reports have concluded that bin Laden has re-established a network of new training camps, and the number of recruits in those camps has risen to as many as 2,000 in recent months from 200 earlier this year.
Although the special forces attack plan was devised six months ago, infighting among U.S. intelligence agencies and among White House offices have blocked it from being implemented, the Times reported.

The Bush team would like to leave office next January having put bin Laden, the man behind the Sept. 11 attacks, behind bars or in his grave.

But sending U.S. forces into Pakistan would be controversial and risky. The rugged mountain area is populated by bin Laden sympathizers, hurting the chances that such a raid could succeed. It would also trigger a diplomatic outcry from the Pakistani government.

The United States has conducted a series of aerial drone attacks on Taliban and al Qaeda leaders in Pakistan, killing several key Qaeda figures and narrowly missing bin Laden's deputy, Ayman Zawahiri, in one strike. But an attack earlier this month killed several Pakistani border guards instead and has made Pakistan less willing to allow U.S. strikes on its territory.

The Taliban of Pakistan, who are close al Qaeda allies, have grown alarmingly stronger in Pakistan's lawless border areas and threatened the regional capital of Peshawar last week.

Pakistan's new coalition government, which has made a series of truces with the militants in recent months, was forced over the weekend to launch an offensive to push the militants back from the outskirts of Peshawar.
Pakistan called the operation a success, even though none of the heavily armed militants in the area were reported killed.

Pakistan announced Sunday that Bush had invited Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani to Washington next month. High on that visit's agenda is the question of whether Pakistan can restrain the Taliban by itself or whether the United States could decide to take action in the tribal areas.
A separate report said the Bush administration has also begun a "major escalation of covert operations against Iran ... to destabilize the country's religious leadership."

The charge was made by veteran journalist Seymour Hersh in the current issue of The New Yorker magazine.

Hersh claims that elite American commando units are operating inside Iran and that Congress has authorized $400 million for the covert operations.
The article claimed that U.S. special forces have been conducting clandestine operations against Iran since last year and have seized members of the Iran commando force al Quds and taken them to Iraq for questioning

The U.S. ambassador in Iraq Ryan Crocker denied the report.

"I'll tell you flatly that U.S. forces are not operating across the Iraqi border into Iran, in the south or anywhere else," he said in an interview from Baghdad Sunday.

Source (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=5275304&page=1)

Bloodcinder
06-30-2008, 12:53
If the George Bush administration are reluctant to engage in yet another front then that is one of the few wise decisions they have made in recent years.

Frozen
06-30-2008, 13:08
1:What if bin got blown up by an airplane?
2:How do they know if he's alive or dead?

The greatest thing ever would be if bush was responsibel for 911.

RonDo
06-30-2008, 13:15
1:What if bin got blown up by an airplane?
2:How do they know if he's alive or dead?

The greatest thing ever would be if bush was responsibel for 911.

1. Hypothetically speaking? Eh?
2. 100% sure...probably not. As long as there are tapes coming out and our agencies say they are authentic, then he still exists to an extent.

As for the Bush comment, does the man need anything else to be more hated in this world? Also, I can't give Bush enough credit to come up with something like 9/11. I'd say he'd be more of the "puppet" type.

Bloodcinder
06-30-2008, 13:34
The greatest thing ever would be if bush was responsibel for 911.
In your idle words, you dare claim that under certain circumstances the deaths of three thousand Americans would be "the best thing ever"? I'm flabbergasted.

Frozen
06-30-2008, 13:36
No no no no heavens no! hell no! Not at all.
Rondo:What i mean is if bin was blown up then won't they look for ever? I't allready longer than the civil war.

RonDo
06-30-2008, 13:43
If they believe they blew him up, they would search out to verify.

Even if they claim to send him to oblivion, his supporters would probably find a way to make him seem alive still.

Bloodcinder
06-30-2008, 13:49
No no no no heavens no! hell no! Not at all.
Okay. I figured I would check before I misinterpreted your words.

Z
06-30-2008, 20:42
If the George Bush administration are reluctant to engage in yet another front then that is one of the few wise decisions they have made in recent years.

That's not how I read it...

The Bush administration, which has seven months left in its term, gave the go-ahead for the military to draw up the plan to take the war on terror across the Afghan border and into the mountains of Pakistan where bin Laden is believed to be hiding, according to the newspaper.

Although the special forces attack plan was devised six months ago, infighting among U.S. intelligence agencies and among White House offices have blocked it from being implemented, the Times reported.

Pakistan announced Sunday that Bush had invited Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani to Washington next month.

It sounds, to me, more like Bush is trying to get it up and going but Intelligence keeps screwing it up and now Bush is bringing the Pakistani Prime Minister over to D.C. to get the intelligence directly before pushing in and trying to get it done before he leaves office. I think the only reluctance here is that Bush wants to avoid a "suicide" mission as oppose to a "high-casualty" mission.

Bloodcinder
06-30-2008, 20:43
I was actually being moderately sarcastic. Sorry.

Z
06-30-2008, 20:49
Ah, lol. Well damn you, then! ;)

It'll be interesting if he gets it done. It will be REALLY interesting to see how History remembers the Bush Administration if he gets it done. Everyone right now is shouting "Worst President in History" or whatever but in 20 years, his term is is likely going to be marked with economic shakiness and the disposal of Saddam Hussein, his malevolent sons and Osama Bin Laden which might more than make up for some of his downfalls *shrugs* Don't know. We'll see.

MacheteJones
12-17-2008, 19:04
20 years from now it won't matter how History remembers Bush because no one will care. College students will be more concerned with when they can get drunk and laid next and the general public will just want to know when the next episode comes on TV. The most important issues in the news will be which celebrity was caught naked and whether or not the current President wiped his/her butt the last time they used the "Oval Office." I say this because right now, no one is talking about what happened 20 years ago in a way other than nostalgia. America in general is very short-term oriented and as a result neither learns from its past nor sees very far into the future.

Arainach
12-17-2008, 19:11
That's a rather pessimistic viewpoint. And you're flat-out wrong. Plenty of people talk about what happened 20 years ago. In a way, the current economic crisis is the ultimate culmination of Reaganomics, and that point isn't lost on everyone.

Z
12-17-2008, 19:13
20 years from now it won't matter how History remembers Bush because no one will care. I can see your point but I mean, we've got a movie coming out called Frost/Nixon about the Watergate scandel of 1974 so I have to imagine people will still look back rather than completely forget. It's just a matter of which parts of his administrative reign people will remember.

Seegtease
12-17-2008, 20:54
I'm going to have to agree with Machete. It's not pessimistic, it's realistic. Maybe it sounds "down" but the truth is the truth.

Plenty of people talk about what happened 20 years ago.

Maybe people you know. But people are, and I still maintain this, becoming dumber and less informed with time, and the amount that people care about the past is going to continue to decrease as people concern themselves only with the future, not realizing that a lot can be learned to help the future from the past.

I don't think you realize how jaded this upcoming generation can be.

MacheteJones
12-17-2008, 21:15
I suppose my choice of language wasn't accurate or even appropriate enough to display my point. And yeah, it was probably a little too sarcastic. (Cut me some slack, I was Ron's roommate hahaha!)

I don't mean that no one will care, yes there will be plenty of people who do and who will talk about it. But I'm speaking in terms of the majority.

There's plenty of news coverage about current issues, but how much of what's on TV does that fill? There's a lot more Spongebob and American Idol than there is decent news coverage. Perhaps a better way to say it is the majority won't care as much as they care about what's on sale for Black Friday. I'm in no way trying to downplay those who have sensible opinions about historic events and their importance and have wonderful insight into things. I'm just saying those people seem to be dying out.

Z
12-17-2008, 22:01
No argument there. The "Informed American" is definitely a minority in this country, and moreso in our generation and the one after us (as opposed to our parent's and grandparent's generations).

Lately
12-18-2008, 14:04
It'll be interesting if he gets it done. It will be REALLY interesting to see how History remembers the Bush Administration if he gets it done. Everyone right now is shouting "Worst President in History" or whatever but in 20 years, his term is is likely going to be marked with economic shakiness and the disposal of Saddam Hussein, his malevolent sons and Osama Bin Laden which might more than make up for some of his downfalls *shrugs* Don't know. We'll see.

I don't really want to remember him for the disposal of Saddam Hussein. He was a completely immaterial side quest that took so long that the main quest was forgotten until recently.

Arainach
12-18-2008, 14:38
He'll be remembered for the disposal of Saddam. The question is whether the world will view that as a positive (cowboy "YEAH WE GOT HIM") or negative ("Hey, yeah, sorry for not realizing he was one of the sole secular stabilizing forces in the region and that his removal turned the entire country into a theocratic quagmire").

Bloodcinder
12-20-2008, 12:33
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