The Great Debate: Bear vs Panther. [Archive]

07-02-2008, 15:08

In one corner, wearing black, we have the elusive, the mysterious...the DEADLY...

PANTHER!

http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/rosalindhook/2005/06/04/panther.jpg

In the other corner, sporting brown, we have the gigantic, the powerful... the UNSTOPPABLE...

BEAR!
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/3733/brownbea.jpg

Both competitors have their strengths and weaknesses. Now it is up to you to decide. WHO WOULD WIN IN A FIGHT?!

Frozen

07-02-2008, 15:18

Why is this in meditar s hut?

deathofcheese

07-02-2008, 15:18

Although I tend to like cats, I think the bear would win, if the bear could ever get in a shot. The panther definitely has an advantage with small size, quickness and speed, but the bear is a true powerhouse that only needs a few shots while is capable of taking many shots itself.

07-02-2008, 15:21

Why is this in meditar s hut?
Because it's a debate. It's hard to tell, I know, cuz the title is a little subtle, hehe. ;)

Yeah, I think the Bear definitely has strength over the panther but I dunno. It could end with one quick swipe to the jugular (though the panther would have to get in really close...)

Killer_Man_

07-02-2008, 15:25

Yeah but remember bears can take shotgun shots and other things and STILL KEEP MOVING.

That bear would tear the shit out of a panther anyday.

07-02-2008, 15:26

Really? I've never shot a bear with a shotgun. That's pretty cool.

Frozen

07-02-2008, 15:26

The bear hands down no contest no holds barn.

07-02-2008, 15:28

no holds barn.

I think you mean "No holds barred" brutha. In a fight (usually wrestling matches) when they say No Holds Barred, that means you can use any wrestling/fighting hold you want to. None of them are against the rules.

Frozen

07-02-2008, 15:29

Oh i always thought they said no holds barn.

Gio Takahashi

07-02-2008, 15:31

Panther. It's fast, it's strong, and it's fierce!

07-02-2008, 15:37

+1 Rep point to anyone who can find a video of a bear and panther actually fighting.

Frozen

07-02-2008, 15:38

Panther. It's fast, it's strong, and it's fierce!
Sorry pal but it's not strong compared to the much larger bear.

deathofcheese

07-02-2008, 15:41

It could end with one quick swipe to the jugular (though the panther would have to get in really close...)

QFT

Gio Takahashi

07-02-2008, 15:49

The Panther will be very fast, as the bear will be slow, it's basically speed vs power.
Double Post
I see you posted this in FFA as well.

07-02-2008, 15:51

Ya, if it seemed to be a success there so I figured Why Not? hehe

To be fair, though, the other thread is like a month or more old.

Killer_Man_

07-02-2008, 15:57

http://www.leechvideo.com/video/view1793660.html

Sadly it's the only one I can find.
Double Post
Second, the bear has thick fur and like I said. He can take a shit load of bullets. There have been many horror hunting stories of someone who belts the bear with rifle rounds and yet it still keeps chugging.

Gio Takahashi

07-02-2008, 15:59

found various videos :P

Exhibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7MuFDVEUro (KM beat me to this one, but this one's better quality)
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Exhibit B: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4dIRZR67zA

Run bear run!

Killer_Man_

07-02-2008, 16:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-ByFv5pGdA&feature=related

Yeah but a black bear > puma.

Gio Takahashi

07-02-2008, 16:01

Exhibit C: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qm2y3eIQYA

Frozen

07-02-2008, 16:03

Second, the bear has thick fur and like I said. He can take a shit load of bullets.

Granted, but the bear ran from the fight. Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we have a new aspect to consider. Bears might, in fact, be wussies!

Frozen: A mother cougar defends her young against an oncoming bear and after 1 round of biting/swiping, the bear runs off and the cougar almost chases it away.

Gio Takahashi

07-02-2008, 16:05

Exhibit D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f5CeMZ-lR0
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And finally Exhibit E: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txDfvbTFtjM

very skippy this one.

Frozen: the leopard/lion/cougar wins all of the fight in my videos.

Frozen

07-02-2008, 16:06

Wow the bear is a cowerd!
Wow.
Do think a human could do the same?

07-02-2008, 16:07

Technically, Exhibit D isn't a fight. It's just a standoff and the Bear wusses out again.

Bloodcinder

07-02-2008, 16:08

I prefer bears.

Killer_Man_

07-02-2008, 16:13

Why die, when you can run to fight anther day? Most predators will do that.

RonDo

07-02-2008, 16:14

You take a fairly specific feline, a panther, and put it up against a generic bear. Make it more specific..how about...

A panther versus a grizzly.

07-02-2008, 16:16

Either way, it doesn't change much. Gio just posted a vid of a male grizzly getting owned by a female cougar. *shrugs

But yes, it's safe to assume that the bear I'm talking about is Grizzly.

RonDo

07-02-2008, 16:21

Then I will say the panther in the natural environment. I find the cats to be a bit more fearless (and reckless) compared to the general bear population. Seeing a brown bear run from a housecat sticks in my mind...

However, if the two were pitted against each other and they would fight head on (no running away), I'd give the edge to the bear. Going for the juggular would be kinda tough if the bear is on its hind legs before attacking (swipes).

07-02-2008, 16:28

Very true. However. using the vid as a reference, the grizzly didn't seem to try and go hind legged when it started getting attacked (before it ran away). It was even lazy with its swipes. The cougar was able to bite right on his ear, wrap his arm around the back of it's neck, and it left the fight, uninjured, as the Bear tucked-tail and ran.

I definitely think, though, that a pissed off fight-you-to-the-death type bear vs the same type panther would be a hell of a fight to see. I'd actually have to start thinking about how much stamina would be involved in one of those fights. I don't see a panther charging into a roaring pissed off bear so maybe it could keep distance and try to tire the bear down *shrugs*

Bloodcinder

07-02-2008, 16:48

I like how the random noun-bolding has spread to other contests.

07-02-2008, 16:51

lol, I was doing it in the The Reapers (http://www.unitedempire.net/forums/showpost.php?p=5396&postcount=13) before I did it in Mafia. I started out doing it only if I had a long post and I knew people would be more willing to skip it rather than read. I would bold the shit that really mattered so I could at least get a skim from everyone else.

Killer_Man_

07-02-2008, 16:52

Like I said, bears tend to run and not fight unless they have to or are VERY VERY PISSED.

Much like Badgers. Badgers tend not to fight unless they have to cause it's a waste of energy.

Bloodcinder

07-02-2008, 17:00

07-02-2008, 17:22

Heh, as you can see, it really helps me skim.

I guess so, lol

I started out doing it only if I had a long post and I knew people would be more willing to skip it rather than read. I would bold the shit that really mattered so I could at least get a skim from everyone else.

Bloodcinder

07-02-2008, 17:26

See, it's like you're proving your point using your point. My head is about to explode from the recursive explanation. [Face of "whoa, dude."]

deathofcheese

07-02-2008, 17:32

I have yet to be shown video evidence of a decent fight or encounter between a large bear and a large cat. So far, it seems that bears largely think "this isn't worth my time, they have such a hard time struggling to survive as it is, I'll take pity on them and let them live...for now" and will leave the encounter. Kinda seems like they follow the "with great power comes great responsibility" philosophy. With such awesome powers of beastiness, they have to hold themselves back to prevent being too kickass.

07-02-2008, 18:03

Or they could be thinking "I gotta get over to that tree over there. I could try and go through the panther but then I will get face pwned. Then again, I could go around the panther and not get face pwned." *Panther facepwns bear* "WAIT! I wasn't ready! Screw you guys! I'm going home!"

Seegtease

07-02-2008, 19:52

Bears run because they know it's smart to. But they have so many friggin' HPs the panther would have to get a lot of crits in to even do a dent. The bear will run because it doesn't want to get hurt, even if it knows it can win.

Bloodcinder

07-02-2008, 19:54

But they have so many friggin' HPs the panther would have to get a lot of crits in to even do a dent.
QFTW

07-02-2008, 19:57

Bears run because they know it's smart to.I think you're giving bears too much intellectual credit. They'll attack a person's campsite even though people have been known to carry boomsticks that not only hurt but kill them.

Keeping a distance because you don't want to get swiped is one thing. Contemplating the possible outcomes of a fight against a smaller animal and then deciding that it would be less of a hassle to simply leave is another.

If it left, I think it left because it's a wussy, not because it accurately analyzed the situation.

Bloodcinder

07-02-2008, 20:13

I think you're giving bears too much intellectual credit. They'll attack a person's campsite even though people have been known to carry boomsticks that not only hurt but kill them.

Keeping a distance because you don't want to get swiped is one thing. Contemplating the possible outcomes of a fight against a smaller animal and then deciding that it would be less of a hassle to simply leave is another.

If it left, I think it left because it's a wussy, not because it accurately analyzed the situation.
Can't learn from a boomstick. Can learn from a panther wound.

07-02-2008, 20:14

Touche

Seegtease

07-02-2008, 20:18

Sizing up a panther is a lot easier than sizing up a human. We LOOK harmless. We also have more fear, make them feel like they have the advantage. They don't really understand boomsticks.

deathofcheese

07-02-2008, 20:18

Human food (and humans) are sooooo much tastier than big cats and/or their food.

07-02-2008, 20:18

Aliens look harmless yet many people are scared shitless of them.

Bloodcinder

07-02-2008, 20:20

Sizing up a panther is a lot easier than sizing up a human. We LOOK harmless.
All mammals except polar bears express a natural fear of humans.

Aliens look harmless yet many people are scared shitless of them.
I for one have a Mexican friend. He's not so scary.

deathofcheese

07-02-2008, 20:22

Probably because we have imaginations and imagine all the nasty technology aliens have that they can use to otherwise cause us harm. (i.e. death rays, planetary death rays, anal probes...)

Seegtease

07-02-2008, 20:37

Aliens look harmless yet many people are scared shitless of them.

Humans are afraid of what they don't understand, usually.

Killer_Man_

07-02-2008, 23:23

Besides, most boomsticks will not kill a bear on the first shot, it'll only agitate it.

07-02-2008, 23:25

The Great Debate #2: Bear vs Boomstick

Killer_Man_

07-02-2008, 23:30

Bear > boomstick.

Most hunting equipment will not take down a bear.

Bloodcinder

07-02-2008, 23:34

]Most hunting equipment will not take down a bear.
Then how come so many people hunt for bears with... hunting equipment?

Killer_Man_

07-02-2008, 23:42

Because they are using tranq shots?

I don't know, most people don't know how to hit the dead zone of a deer. Let alone a 600 poundish bear.

Bloodcinder

07-02-2008, 23:46

Stop talking in absolutes when you're wrong, plz kthx. Watch a hunting program or experience it for yourself. Artillery is customary, not tranqs.

deathofcheese

07-02-2008, 23:52

I'm pretty sure that not even a bear's skull could stop a speeding bullet.

Well, unless they were furrowing their brows.

07-03-2008, 00:06

I heard the same about Chuck Norris.

RonDo

07-03-2008, 00:14

I heard the same about Chuck Norris.

Oh hell no. I guess it was gonna happen sooner or later.

Killer_Man_

07-03-2008, 00:33

I am not talking about absolutes. I am just stating the fact that most people can't aim a gun worth of shit and usually do not take down a bear. I am not talking about hunting programs.

Bloodcinder

07-03-2008, 00:37

I am not talking about absolutes. I am just stating the fact that most people can't aim a gun worth of shit and usually do not take down a bear. I am not talking about hunting programs.
Every time you say "most" you are engaging in absolutes. Regardless, what I am saying is that as cool as you think bears are they really don't hold up that well to artillery, not generally enough to survive to learn their "mistake" of being near a human.

SpaceProg

07-03-2008, 01:35

A high enough calibre at a decent range will fell a bear. I've personally seen a 10 ft. tall male Alaskan Brown that was killed with a 50 cal rifle. With scope, but hey... *shrugs*

deathofcheese

07-03-2008, 10:25

The Great Debate #3: Chuck Norris vs. Bear w/ Boomstick

Bloodcinder

07-03-2008, 11:16

The Great Debate #3: Chuck Norris vs. Bear w/ Boomstick
vs Freddy vs Jason vs Predator... 2!

Gio Takahashi

07-03-2008, 12:00

The Great Debate: Bloodcinder vs Zeitgeist

Bloodcinder

07-03-2008, 12:08

Isn't that pretty much Panther vs Bear?

SpaceProg

07-03-2008, 12:59

No, it's Hunter Vs. Bear.

We've already covered that one though.

07-03-2008, 14:30

I like that we've accepted Boomstick as a standard term, hehe. :D

deathofcheese

07-03-2008, 14:50

Thank you Bruce Campbell. Hail to the king, baby.

Seegtease

07-03-2008, 21:23

What is up with all this most people can't kill a bear with a gun business, KM?

People go bear hunting all the time. They kill them, too. It's possible for a bear to survive a gunshot. It's possible for a human to survive a gunshot. The threshold for a bear is just greater then a human. A human could be killed with a well places 22 shot. A bear? Maybe if you hit it in the eye and it went to the brain, I don't know.

There is a boomstick powerful enough for any animal. If you're going after a bear with buckshot, you're a moron.

Lots of people know how to use guns. You say most don't, but I say most hunters DO know how to fire with at least fair accuracy. I can. But if you want to kill a bear, you'd need some decent caliber. They still die, and people do it all the time. They don't use tranqs. That's what they use to tag or capture animals. Hunters use guns.

07-04-2008, 20:35

The Great Debate #3: Ninja vs Samurai

Ooooooh snap!

SpaceProg

07-04-2008, 20:44

Jesus vs. Pyramid Head

Bloodcinder

07-04-2008, 21:06

Jesus vs. Pyramid Head
QFT

deathofcheese

07-04-2008, 23:46

The Great Debate #3: Ninja vs Samurai

Ooooooh snap!

lol, I remember this thread from NHF. Didn't we get more new people for this thread than anything else? People talking about the differences between the traditional swords each used, the various advantages, disadvantages and strengths of forging methods, etc. Good times.

Gio Takahashi

07-04-2008, 23:49

and then there was Regime of Great Justice vs Ninja Death Squad

Seegtease

07-05-2008, 00:38

The Great Debate #3: Ninja vs Samurai

Ooooooh snap!

Vs. Corsair!

Gio Takahashi

07-05-2008, 01:47

Holy shit guys, it's as if you're giving me a reason to close this thread.

SpaceProg

07-05-2008, 01:53

OMG dnt B a Natzi, Geo!

Gio Takahashi

07-05-2008, 02:02

I will be a nazi all I want.

Killer_Man_

07-05-2008, 05:36

Lock thread VS spam posts.

Seegtease

07-05-2008, 12:41

Okay.

Forum Members Vs. Gio

Gio Takahashi

07-05-2008, 12:45

I'll just ban the infidels that defy me.

I win.

Seegtease

07-05-2008, 12:52

Yeah, just like Hitler won.

Killer_Man_

07-05-2008, 14:18

And look where he is now.

Gio Takahashi

07-05-2008, 17:08

That's because Hitler didn't fed then bancakes.

I did.

Still win.

Seegtease

07-06-2008, 12:58

Yes he did. He banned them to concentration camps. Then he banned them from living. And if he had been a forum admin, he'd have banned them from there, too.

SpaceProg

07-06-2008, 18:27

GODWIN'S LAW.

Hitler vs. Chuck Norris

Gio Takahashi

07-06-2008, 19:33

Yes he did. He banned them to concentration camps. Then he banned them from living. And if he had been a forum admin, he'd have banned them from there, too.

he banned them because they were jews. I banned them because they're harmful to the community.

He banned them to be tortured, I banned them just.. to make them go away.

Bloodcinder

07-06-2008, 19:35

I don't think Hitler banned the Jews. I think he just set Germany +m and gave them -v.

Gio Takahashi

07-06-2008, 19:37

That's probably true.

SpaceProg

07-06-2008, 19:42

I'm such a geek for getting that...

Gio Takahashi

07-06-2008, 20:03

If you get it, then you are a true UEFer

07-06-2008, 20:45

You know, I heard tigers actually get bigger and deadlier than Lions do. Why aren't Tigers the king of the jungle?

Bloodcinder

07-06-2008, 20:49

Affirmative action.

SpaceProg

07-06-2008, 20:51

Because Tigers actually live in Asian jungles. Lions are 'King of the Jungle' because they live in the African veldt and savannah.

You can be so thick sometimes, Z. :p