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Gio Takahashi
07-07-2008, 12:23
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080706/us_nm/usa_coffeeshops_dc

NEW YORK (Reuters) - One coffee drinker's bad news is another coffee drinker's good news, it seems.

Financial woes at Starbucks Corp., which is planning to close 600 underperforming U.S. stores, is evoking glee and little sympathy from aficionados who say they resent the coffee shop giant and favor small independent cafes.

"I'm so happy. I'm so not a Starbucks person," said Melinda Vigliotti, sipping iced coffee at the Irving Farm Coffee House in New York. "I believe in supporting small businesses. Starbucks, bye-bye."

"Amen," chimed in Keith DiLauro, a local caterer. "They went too big, too fast."

Seattle-based Starbucks burst onto the national scene in the 1990s and grew to more than 6,000 locations around the world. But with cups of coffee that can cost several dollars, it faces a slowing economy and slowed consumer spending.

"Starbucks has really created a coffee culture, raising awareness of good coffee, which is good for independents," said Carol Watson, owner of the Milk and Honey coffee shop in Chicago. "But on the other hand, they're on practically every corner, and that makes it tough on the little guy too."

In Birmingham, Alabama, retiree Peggy Bonfield, drinking coffee at the Crestwood Coffee Shop, said: "When a Starbucks closes, it makes room for a local business to start.

"I consider that good news," she said.

The schadenfreude of coffee drinkers drawing satisfaction from another's misfortune is part of the popular culture that enjoys the downfall of companies or celebrities, said Jim Carroll, a Canadian-based trends and innovation expert.

"There are a lot of people out there who take delight in seeing an icon torn down by the masses," he said.

Starbucks fell victim to a rapid change in attitude, fueled by Internet bloggers complaining endlessly about everything from layoffs to its breakfast sandwiches, he said.

"Starbucks was a cool brand, and then all of a sudden it's not a cool brand," he said. "There's this new global consciousness that is out there that can suddenly shift."

CAFE CULTURE

Indeed, said Pye Parson, who hails from Seattle and works at Birmingham's Crestwood, "Once it went corporate, it wasn't Starbucks anymore."

New York Web designer Zachary Thacher, who favors Greenwich Village's cafes, said he avoids Starbucks. "They've commoditized cafe culture, which is why I don't go," he said.

The environmental movement toward buying and appreciating locally grown products has helped neighborhood cafes and hurt the myriad look-a-like Starbucks stores, said Judy Ramberg, a consumer strategist at Iconoculture, a Minneapolis-based trend research company.

The company that began as innovative is now known for consistency and convenience, she said. "To me, that's a huge step down," she said. "You've built your franchise on people who are coming in because they know exactly what they want."

Precisely, said Justin Sergi, explaining why he preferred Lux, a cafe in Phoenix serving lattes with a fern-like pattern teased from steamed milk in ceramic cups, over Starbucks.

"The people that work there are very pleasant, but the stores are devoid of any kind of real charm or personality," he said. "They push a button, and a machine does everything from grinding the beans to brewing the drink."

It's not as though Starbucks doesn't have defenders,

"It's convenient," said Anthony Castro, sitting in a Starbucks near his job at New York's Museum of Modern Art. "I know what to expect."

In Birmingham, Crestwood regular Gary Adkins said he felt Starbucks gave employees good salaries and benefits. But now Starbucks' plans call for cutting up to 12,000 full- and part-time positions.

Not everyone felt strongly. "It's just coffee," said Marc Poulin, a systems administrator at Zibetto Espresso Bar in New York. "If I was an investor, I'd care."

(Additional reporting by Tim Gaynor, Andrew Stern and Verna Gates; editing by Todd Eastham)

Bloodcinder
07-07-2008, 12:32
Sometimes the titles given to news articles completely rape my brain.

Arainach
07-07-2008, 16:42
I'm more indifferent than happy.

And Starbucks DOES suck. Stuff tastes like burnt rainforest. I only drink it because it's free.

Seegtease
07-08-2008, 00:30
Sad for all the loss of jobs. It's entry-level work that a lot of people struggle to find.

Maybe some enterprising individuals will find a way to use the old buildings to start/expand their own coffee business.

Starbucks is more overpriced than most private shops, and they really could use some downsizing. I will almost always go to a small shop over a big name, since I know they need the customers more, and they usually care more about the quality of their product, especially if I'm getting my order from the owner or a family member of the owner. Of course, some people just go for a name, and it's sad.

Small businesses FTW.

Gio Takahashi
07-08-2008, 02:10
I don't blame the small business owner. With Starbucks everywhere, it's no wonder that the business suffers for the little people.

This should certainly change thing, but I don't know just how much, 600 stores isn't THAT much if you think about it, especially given how many starbucks are there in each cities.

llama_egg
07-08-2008, 04:05
I'm more indifferent than happy.

And Starbucks DOES suck. Stuff tastes like burnt rainforest. I only drink it because it's free.

...it shouldn't taste burnt unless they mess up while making it. I have a friend who use to work in Starbucks for, what, 2-3 years, and he revealed all the interesting secrets of caffeine related stars.

But saying that, I'm indifferent about this either way, well, plus it's not in Canada. Though I do enjoy stopping at a nearby Starbucks, I'll be just as willing to stop off at a small coffee shop as long as it's able to serve decent coffee.

Arainach
07-08-2008, 04:18
I've tried a variety of Starbucks stores (including the original), I've tried their beans and ground them myself - their coffee tastes distinctly burnt compared to most other chains and brands. I'm not a fan. I'm not saying it's bad - it's just not for me.

Aingeleag
07-08-2008, 07:24
Personally I like Dunkin' Donuts. I have similar feelings to Arainach, the Starbucks I've had was awful tasting. I'm also not feeling so bad about all of this, because there are two (that I know of, so there may be more) within an hour's drive of here, and they are just about the only cafe-type places to go except maybe Panera Bread. There really aren't many little coffee shops left.. I haven't seen any in years. But it is unfortunate about the jobs, with the unemployment rates going up with the economic struggles the nation is in, I'd be very scared if I worked there. Also, as Gio mentioned, 600 stores really isn't that many in retrospective to how many exist. That'd be like saying 600 WalMarts are closing, it's not even a quarter of the total amount in operation.
Well, hopefully some of the other franchises will take a note of this and watch what they're doing. I'll just be glad if some little homespun coffeehouses get to come back around. I've only been to one of those once, and it was a lot better than most places you get coffees at.

RonDo
07-08-2008, 09:49
Down with the Starbucks. Sucks for those working there, but I do not like the company. I prefer local beaneries.

deathofcheese
07-08-2008, 10:17
I've tried a variety of Starbucks stores (including the original), I've tried their beans and ground them myself - their coffee tastes distinctly burnt compared to most other chains and brands. I'm not a fan. I'm not saying it's bad - it's just not for me.I think a large part of making coffee taste burnt is how the beans are roasted. While you can still burn coffee in the process of making it, when and how you roast the beans is what impacts flavor the most.

Supposedly, coffee should be a sweet beverage (even without cream and sugar or other additives). If you know someone from another country (or have enough money to order your own) ask them to bring back a couple pounds of coffee beans from their country if they ever go to visit. I have a friend who married someone from Panama. Every time they go back to visit (twice a year, at least) they bring me back a pound of just some generic gourmet coffee. Stuff tastes unbelievable. Something that will also help is if you grind the beans yourself (sounds like some people here already do that). If you buy grinds, the coffee is likely to taste very stale.

Killer_Man_
07-08-2008, 12:18
Coffee just sucks.

GO GO BOOZE AND SODA!