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RonDo
07-08-2008, 10:32
NEW YORK (CNN) -- When Scott Hoover bought a $5 scratch-off ticket in Virginia called "Beginner's Luck" last summer, he carefully studied the odds. Even though he figured his chances of winning were a long shot, he felt the odds were reasonable.


Hoover, a business professor at Washington and Lee University in Virginia, wasn't surprised when his tickets didn't bring him the $75,000 grand prize, but he was shocked to learn the top prize had been awarded before he bought the ticket.


"I felt duped into buying these things," Hoover said.


He discovered the Virginia State Lottery (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Lottery_Results) was continuing to sell tickets for games in which the top prizes were no longer available. Public records showed that someone had already won the top prize one month before Hoover played. He is now suing the state of Virginia for breach of contract.

"It's one thing to say it's a long shot to win the $75,000, but it's another thing to say you have no shot to win it," said John Fishwick, Hoover's attorney.


Through a request filed under the Freedom of Information Act, Fishwick's firm was able to obtain records that showed the Virginia State Lottery sold $85 million in tickets for which no top prize was available. Fishwick says the state should pay $85 million in damages.


Paula Otto, executive director of the Virginia State Lottery, said the state's games are fair and the top prize money is actually a small percentage of the money given out to lottery players. Most of the players win through the second, third or fourth-place prizes, she said. Otto also said it's no longer possible in the state of Virginia to purchase tickets with no top prizes available.


"We absolutely have always been very open and honest with our players about the way our scratch tickets are distributed," Otto said. "Yes, there were times when there was a scratch game out there that might've said "zero" in terms of the number of top prizes, but our players knew that."


Otto would not comment on the lawsuit, but said she stands by the integrity of the games in Virginia and looks forward to vigorously defending them.


Virginia isn't the only state to sell tickets that have no top prizes available. USA Today estimates that about half of the 42 states that have lotteries were, as of early July, continuing to sell tickets after the top prizes are claimed. Lottery officials from some states say the practice is fair because lesser prizes are still available, and they say tickets and lottery Web sites make that clear.


In New Jersey, tickets for the "$1,000,000 Explosion" scratch-off game were still on sale last week, even though the million-dollar grand prize was already awarded.


Lottery ticket buyers outside a New Jersey convenience store were stunned to hear the news.


"Oh really? I didn't know that," one shopper told CNN. Another added, "That's just not right."


Dominick DeMarco, a spokesman with the New Jersey Lottery, said information about winning tickets and prizes is readily available on the lottery Web site and at retail outlets. However, officials are still looking for ways to improve on their procedures.


Still, Hoover hopes his lawsuit will alert lottery players in all states to be careful before they place their bets.


(http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/lottery.tickets/index.html)
Source (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/lottery.tickets/index.html)



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So, do this guy have a legitimate argument?

Killer_Man_
07-08-2008, 12:19
I have to agree with him, even if you can't win like that, there still should be a -chance.-

Arainach
07-08-2008, 12:54
The lottery is just a tax on the math-illiterate anyhow. I doubt they'll start caring any time soon.

Killer_Man_
07-08-2008, 13:31
How is it for the math-illiterate?

Perhaps some people, like my parents play two numbers for powerball for I think it's 12 plays(Which gives you like 4 plays free) just for the sheer fact that if more people play, the less the taxes are I think for property. I don't know why but that is how my city/state does it.

Bloodcinder
07-08-2008, 13:46
The lottery is just a tax on the math-illiterate anyhow. I doubt they'll start caring any time soon.
Actually, it's a tax on families with very low disposable income. It's a bit unkind to accuse them of educational disabilities.

Arainach
07-08-2008, 13:51
Anyone who would buy a lottery ticket clearly doesn't understand the math behind it. There's no excuse to regardless of socioeconomic status.

RonDo
07-08-2008, 13:54
Anyone who would buy a lottery ticket clearly doesn't understand the math behind it. There's no excuse to regardless of socioeconomic status.

I would say that some may actually understand the math behind something such as this and may be compelled to play the miserable odds based on compulsion or habits.

Arainach
07-08-2008, 14:50
Then it's their obligation to seek help or suffer the consequences. I take the same stance I take with nearly every other addiction - I fully support having available, affordable, respectable rehab programs and support groups for whoever wants them, but if people choose not to take part in them they're responsible for their actions.

Killer_Man_
07-08-2008, 15:02
Yeah but the state should be held responsible for paying out.

It's like going to a casino and getting three 7's on a slot machine but saying, OH U CAN NOT WIN THE JACKPOT BECUZ WE HAD A WINNER LAST MONTH.

That's not fair.

RonDo
07-08-2008, 15:14
If anything, I believe that the lotteries should have their retail outlets have signs or something say if jackpots have been won..and people can, at that point, choose to play or not. Even if the main prize is gone, other prizes remain. If ALL payouts have been claimed then the game should be pulled.

Arainach
07-08-2008, 15:15
No it's nothing like that. Because in this case, the slot machines are incapable of coming up with 3 7s.

A set number of lottery tickets were printed. A certain number were winners. The probability that any individual lottery ticket is a winner is fixed at this point. Presumably there are still smaller jackpots that can still be won.

Killer_Man_
07-08-2008, 15:43
I know but perhaps it should be anther coffee cup warning. If you get the reference.

Seegtease
07-08-2008, 23:01
Ary, not everybody buys tickets for investment purposes. Some just like the excitement of chance. The same applies to any gambler (save for those in games of skill/luck). There is entertainment involved. You could pay 8 bucks to see a movie, or play some cheap slot machines. The choice is yours, and nothing is wrong with you in either case. But I can say one thing: you have 0 chance of winning anything in the movie.


As for the ticket... they can't be expected to stop selling tickets after the grand prize is won. They'd quite possibly lose money this way, especially if it was won early. They need the money from the losers that come later to make up for those jackpots.

deathofcheese
07-09-2008, 00:01
...or play some cheap slot machines...I won $160 off of a quater-slot machine once. I was bored out of my mind until it happened though.

Ironically, I just saw a story on the news this evening about a doorman in NYC who won a jackpot and was overnight a millionaire. I think the largest motivation to play the lottery is hearing stories of rags to riches all the time.

Seegtease
07-09-2008, 00:10
I play the nickles. Sure, you don't win much, but at least your money lasts longer for the fun.

Charlie
07-09-2008, 01:04
The lottery's stupid, anyway. I never buy tickets. My parents do, but I don't.