(003) Crystal Valley: A Game of Cunning

[Bloodcinder]

Background (From RC Edition Rule Set)

A small confederacy of enterprising people has developed in a distant world in the midst of a natural land formation known as Crystal Valley. They have primarily an agricultural society, but a significant source of their revenue is the mining and sale of the abundant crystals from which the area got its name.

Most of the civilians have learned how to craft a few useful items out of crystals that have already been refined, but only the guild of alchemists and their apprentices have the skills necessary for the refining process, and apprentices spend years perfecting the craft before they are allowed to work on their own.

The confederacy is split into various townships, each with a contingency from the guild of alchemists. In addition, each township has a special pearl created from the most highly refined crystal. The residents of the town take turns keeping the pearl for one day each. Whoever has the pearl is the town's judge and is expected to devote his day to maintaining peace and safety.

Outside of the confederacy are a few bands of roving vampires, werewolves, and fiends outwardly indistinguishable from the humans, but these monsters generally do not enter the townships. When they do, the pearls react in their vicinity to inform the judges what kind of monsters are nearby in order to defeat the threat. With the insight afforded by the pearls, the confederacy has flourished for decades.


First Morning

Bloodcinder has the pearl from the previous day. When he realizes that it is reacting to nearby monsters, he panics and leaves town, but not before giving the pearl to llama_egg and mentioning that he's never going to return. What a jerk, yeah?

[Bloodcinder]

First Day

llama_egg must decide whether to indict somebody for some reason or to indict the general public and thereby avoid any condemnation for the day. He is the judge for the first day. If he tries to condemn anybody without any evidence upon which to base his indictment, he could garner a rather negative reputation. It might be in his best interest to avoid a condemnation for the day.

Voting Majority :: 5 of 9

Alive :: Z, SpaceProg, llama_egg, Killer_Man_, Gio Takahashi, deathofcheese, chefTENGU, DAMAGE, Zeitgeist

[deathofcheese]

Someone might have to burn at the stake.

1, 2, 3 NOT IT!

[Seegtease]

Why? Afraid of a little fire?

[SpaceProg]

Burning at the stake? I thought this was the future. Has humanity backslid a bit?

[Gio Takahashi]

Burning completely destroys the body, it is the only way to kill the monsters.

[Killer_Man_]

Is it that time already?

[Gio Takahashi]

I don't know. it's up to the Judge. he seems to be missing.

[SpaceProg]

Maybe someone here ate him...

[llama_egg]

Jolly good time to come down with a flu, no?

As things go, it seems as though we have to choice but to allow today to slide into darkness. Unless people are ready to condemn a body to a bath of warmth if you get my drift.

[DAMAGE]

Things seem to be starting out rather slow.................

[Z]

As do all first days.

[Seegtease]

Maybe not. deathofcheese was quick to assume a death should occur today, and also emphasized a fear of fire, which we know neither werewolves nor vampires are overly fond of.

[Killer_Man_]

Or maybe it was Zeit who was jumping on the accusations on who is who so quickly. Perhaps he's trying to hide something as well.

[deathofcheese]

I just didn't want to get falsely accused on the first day without any evidence to back it up.

[chefTENGU]

Totally. I think it's more dangerous to just wildly accuse other members of the town without any evidence. We need to see what happens when night falls.

[Gio Takahashi]

I concur, No sense in accusing without any evidence without backing it up.

[Z]

deathofcheese was quick to assume a death should occur today, and also emphasized a fear of fire, which we know neither werewolves nor vampires are overly fond of.

While I'm not ready to accuse anyone just yet, I noticed that as well. It definitely seems worth noting but, for now, there's no telling if it was based more in truth or in jest.

[llama_egg]

Herm, as things go, it seems while people have already driven themselves to suspicion, I will not have the head of an innocent rest on my head. And for that, I shall but allow the day to go by without accusing anyone.

[Bloodcinder]

The judge has officially indicted the public. This means that nobody will be condemned if the indictment passes. Five must approve of his indictment to pass it.

[SpaceProg]

Fine by me.

[chefTENGU]

Aye. Let it pass.

[deathofcheese]

I approve.

[Z]

I approve as well.

[Killer_Man_]

So be it.

[Seegtease]

I know we have our five, but I do approve. I was just noting a suspicion.

[Gio Takahashi]

I approve as well, even though we already have five.

[llama_egg]

And with that our good sirs, the day will finish without an indictment.

[Bloodcinder]

The first day has ended without a condemnation.

Everybody goes back to their homes.


First Night

Everybody should PM me with their actions for the night. (If you need help, please say so.) Once I have received everybody's actions, I will compound them all and get back to each of you with what information you are entitled to for the night. This first night phase will probably be kind of long.

[Bloodcinder]

Nothing happened in the night that everybody knows about.

Second Day

llama_egg must now give the pearl to somebody else. After he has done so, conversation for the day can start, and the new judge can take over. (I do not need to monitor this process as long as it is handled according to the rules. Wait for the pearl transfer, acknowledge the pearl transfer, and let the new judge rule the day.)

Voting Majority :: 5 of 9
Alive :: Zac, SP, llama*, KM, Gio, doc, chef, DMG, Zeit

[llama_egg]

I shall mount my belief and hand it to none other then Mr. Chef, unless others have an objection to it? Hmmm?

[Gio Takahashi]

No objections from me.

[deathofcheese]

I don't not approve.

What happens now? Why on earth did Bloodcinder peace out? We've got some monsters to oust out and torch. Did anybody get any insights last night?

[Gio Takahashi]

Nope, I slept like a log.

[Z]

As did I, and i have no objections to appointing chef and pearl holder.

[Killer_Man_]

No objections here.

And I slept good too.

[SpaceProg]

No objections as to the pearl-giving. Keep that thing away from me though. I suck at condemnation decisions.

[chefTENGU]

I'll accept this. Although I doubt we're in any better of a position than before. But I've been thinking:

The pearl's reaction indicates that there is a threat present. Whatever threat there is may not be lethal, necessarily, but perhaps it something that grows over time until it becomes a much more serious threat. Since no one died (or even appears to have been hurt), then perhaps we're going to have to consider things carefully, make a decision, and see what shakes loose.

Does anyone have any information about last night's events?

[Seegtease]

Wow, chefTENGU, the moment you get offered the pearl you're already looking for somebody to take out. What makes you assume that "events" even occurred?

[chefTENGU]

The fact that it's reacting to monsters.

[SpaceProg]

All that means is there's still one among us. o_O Spooky.

[llama_egg]

Well what do we know so far gentlemen? Their is something obviously evil among us, but they have decided to take no action to date. Other then that do we know anything other then suspicions? Hmm?

[Z]

If I had to choose my top 2 suspicions right now, it would be either deathofcheese or Zeitgeist.

deathofcheese for the remark he let slip (As Zeit, himself, pointed out, "deathofcheese was quick to assume a death should occur today, and also emphasized a fear of fire, which we know neither werewolves nor vampires are overly fond of")

And Zeitgeist because he just seems to be out for blood, so to speak, having both tried to push for deathofcheese and chefTENGU. If the monsters among us have chosen not to act last night on purpose, as a strategy to stay covert, then it would make sense that one of the monsters would emphasize and take advantage of this as we can see below. . .

Wow, chefTENGU, the moment you get offered the pearl you're already looking for somebody to take out. What makes you assume that "events" even occurred?It almost seems like you're defensive that chef would assume there are still monsters about even though nothing happened last night. As has been pointed out, there is still an obvious danger present according to the Pearl.

Anyone feel the same regarding one or both of these two?

[Seegtease]

Yes, I am defensive. For all we know, the pearl could be reacting to chefTENGU himself. He wants to make a decision already, and it's only the second day that the pearl is reacting. Such short notice without evidence could easily result in an innocent dying, which a monster would have no problem with allowing to happen.

Don't accuse me just because I'm one of the few who are actually vocal about my observations, Z.

[Z]

I am not officially accusing you, yet. I am calling out to make sure my suspicions aren't baseless. If no one else feels the same way I do, I can easily dismiss my suspicions about both you and deathofcheese but if others are noticing the same things I am then perhaps an observation of many warrants credibility.

I don't think I'm being unfair. After all, I cited the person you originally suspected as well. You're just both suspicious in my eyes right now.

I also have a hard time believing all the monsters among us will fast for two nights straight so, one way or another, an Innocent's life will likely be ruined if we refuse to take a gamble and the only way we can narrow down suspects without hard evidence is the process of elimination.

Just to sum up all those mentioned thus far, we have chefTENGU (by Zeit), deathofcheese & Zeitgeist (by Z). Does anyone agree with any of these or have any suspects to add?

[Seegtease]

I think more people need to be vocal about their feelings. Sometimes the quietest are the most guilty, too.

[Z]

That's very true.

[deathofcheese]

What the hell are you guys jumping on me and Zeit for? Zeit I can understand. But me? An unnatural fear of fire? It doesn't matter what alignment you are, fire = death equally to humans and monsters alike.

Besides, I think we should start getting vials and elixirs made. If someone has been turned, they can easily be saved. We just need to make sure that we can defend ourselves if some fiends start getting made, which is why we really need to focus on eliminating monsters instead of accusing people left and right.

[Z]

What an odd response, deathofcheese.

What the hell are you guys jumping on me and Zeit for? Zeit I can understand. But me?There is just one guy "jumping" on you two and that was me and, as I clarified to Zeit before this, I was not officially accusing either of you.

Funny, though, that you're now preaching against accusing people considering you just got done saying "We've got some monsters to oust out and torch."

But I do agree that vials and elixirs are very important.

[SpaceProg]

I agree about the vials and elixirs. Alchemists? Any alchemists among us?

[deathofcheese]

What an odd response, deathofcheese.
...
Funny, though, that you're now preaching against accusing people considering you just got done saying "We've got some monsters to oust out and torch."What I'm against is this willy-nilly bullshit accusation-game you're wanting to play without ANY proof aside from a few misunderstood statements.

Assuming no monster got lucky and made someone a fiend, let's wait another night while our alchemists can assist us with making luminaries, daggers, elixirs and the vials we all need to make it happen. At the very worst, we'll get a few more civilians who have been turned but are still very capable of being restored once the proper items are made available. Once we get some proper tools and evidence that can be revealed with those tools, THEN we should let the bullshit accusations fly.

[Seegtease]

I think the alchemists have nothing to lose by fessing up their profession, and they could start divvying out stuff.

I also think you reek of fear, deathofcheese.

[Z]

That has got to be one of the most defensive responses to "I'm not accusing you" that I have ever seen.

No one is saying "Lets not craft tools" so I don't know why you're pushing it as if you were facing resistance on that point. Like I said, you just seem crazy defensive over something I merely mentioned. Hell, Zeit received it like it should have been received and, at first, I thought he was more suspicious than you. Clearly that is not the case anymore.

But, yes, as I already agreed with, the tools from our alchemists are important but we don't have to pass judgment for them to craft. They can craft either way but to sit back another night while monsters are about seems ludicrous at this point. If no one can agree with a single suspicion then, of course, passing will be the only course of action but you're not even wanting to let people see if there might be shared suspicions.

[deathofcheese]

Despite how often you say "just a thought", it still sounds like an almost-accusation by anyone whom the "thought" is about.

I'm just trying to nip something, that may or may not be there, in the bud before it has a chance to grow into something ugly.

[DAMAGE]

I think the alchemists have nothing to lose by fessing up their profession, and they could start divvying out stuff.

I don't think that's a good idea. Any alchemists that we do have out there need to keep their identity a secret. Alchemists are our biggest weapon against the monsters and we don't need them to come out and say "HAY U GAIZ, I AM AN ALKEMIST, KOM KIL ME!!"

[SpaceProg]

That doesn't prevent them from anonymously crafting stuff does it? We can just wake up one morning and there'll be a bunch of vials and elixirs under the tree. Or can they do that? I'm not an alchemist, so.. *shrugs*

[llama_egg]

Hmm, so sort of a Alchemist Santa? Heh.

[Seegtease]

I don't think that's a good idea. Any alchemists that we do have out there need to keep their identity a secret. Alchemists are our biggest weapon against the monsters and we don't need them to come out and say "HAY U GAIZ, I AM AN ALKEMIST, KOM KIL ME!!"

Perhaps some of the monsters wish to be healed.

[Z]

I would steer clear of trying to push for the Alchemists to identify themselves, Zeit. Your continued curiosity is making it look like you're a monster hunting for a target.

[deathofcheese]

Since alchemists can give anonymously, monsters/monstrous civilians/vigilante civilians (i.e. everyone) should just ask aloud for a couple vials to go their way.

That being said, I'd like two or three vials please.

[chefTENGU]

I think Zeit is right that at this point, alchemists have nothing to lose by outing themselves.

Now, remember what I said before that we have a definite threat in our midst, although one that seems to be less than lethal (for the time being, at least). I think the chances are good that we probably have at least another night before things begin to get deadly...

Making oneself a target at this stage can be easily remedied, unless the alchemist in question has already been turned. In which case, he or she would be a very potent threat indeed... Not only controlling access to vials, luminaries, daggers, and elixirs, but also being in a great position to earn the trust of everyone else and to manipulate events.

We as a town pose a greater threat to unknown alchemists than any monster does.

What we need now more than anything is information. Did anyone receive any items, or have any items used on them last night?

In good faith, I will admit that I am no alchemist, but a mere apprentice.

[SpaceProg]

I didn't have anything used on me that I could tell.

[Z]

I think Zeit is right that at this point, alchemists have nothing to lose by outing themselves.Other than their humanity, you mean?

If an alchemist is busy fending off his/her own attacks with his/her own supplies, those are supplies that are not getting anywhere else which means a targeted alchemist = No vial/elixir output to anyone else, if I understand the mechanics correctly.

EDIT: Any no, I did not receive any items in the night

[chefTENGU]

It all comes down to choice. Alchemists that have been turned may use their supplies on themselves, or on anyone else.

They can choose to work against any monstrous force even while belonging to it themselves.

[Z]

GIVE :: Transfer any items to any person, anonymously by default.
USE VIAL :: Expend one vial on any person to turn him into a human, anonymously by default.
This has a chance of failure. This may be used on oneself.
USE LUMINARY :: Expend one luminary to learn another person's identity, anonymously by
default. This can also be used on corpses.
AUTO DAGGER :: If targeted by Murder, automatically expend one dagger to nullify the
attempt.
USE ELIXIR :: Expend one elixir on one corpse to resurrect it, anonymously by request. The
person becomes active in the morning with the same identity he had at the start of the game.
CRAFT LUMINARY :: Convert three vials into one luminary.
CRAFT DAGGER :: Convert five vials into one dagger.
CRAFT ELIXIR :: Convert five vials into one elixir.
REST :: Take no action.

Perhaps I'm confused. I was under the impression that only 1 action can be taken at a time overnight so if the alchemist is targeted, he would have to Use Vial, assuming he has a spare. If he doesn't then I guess it's safe to say we've lost our Alchemist. Either way, a targeted Alchemist spells no tools for the rest of us.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS
VICTOR :: Survive at the end with the same alignment as at the beginning. This is the standard
accomplishment that is simplest to achieve.
PURIST :: Survive at the end having been a vampire and a werewolf but never a fiend.
SUCCESSOR :: Get promoted from an apprentice to an alchemist.
MISER :: Never use any vials on anybody else.
JINX :: Die at least two* times.
ANGEL :: Resurrect at least one* person.
SLAYER :: Murder at least two* people.
VIGILANTE :: Nullify at least two* murder attempts.
HERO :: Hold the pearl on at least five* different days.Considering an alchemist might have been transformed or will be transformed, the VICTOR accomplishment is tossed out the window. If he uses vials on anyone but himself, the MISER accomplishment is out the window. If one gets changed, they would pretty much have to spend the next night turning themselves back into a human just so they won't have to toss the PURIST accomplishment which means they would be no help to the rest of the group yet again

In short, I think it's best for all of us if we give the Alchemists enough reason to stay human and help us rather than be forced to deal with their accomplishment tallies due to having to fend off attacks from monsters.

If they stay untargeted then our alchemists have a shot at ANGEL , VICTOR and possibly even VIGILANTE just from helping us out without issue.

And lets not forget that an alchemist who has to fend off attacks is an alchemist who doesn't have time to create Luminaries.

[Gio Takahashi]

I didn't receive anything overnight either.

[Killer_Man_]

Hmm, here are my views. Either Zeit is trying to cover himself up by throwing out posts like that or Z is. They are arguing and pulling out 'suspicious' posts like they are aiming for something.

[Z]

If I were a monster, no strategy in the world would explain why I'm trying to keep alchemists a secret from myself. I assure you, I'm not the bad guy this time.

[Bloodcinder]

Perhaps I'm confused. I was under the impression that only 1 action can be taken at a time overnight so if the alchemist is targeted, he would have to Use Vial, assuming he has a spare. If he doesn't then I guess it's safe to say we've lost our Alchemist. Either way, a targeted Alchemist spells no tools for the rest of us.
An alchemist can become a monster and still be an alchemist. He would just be a monster alchemist. His skill set would be a combination of those for the monster and the alchemist.

[Z]

A monster alchemist risks becoming a fiend thereby canceling out their opportunity for PURIST so I would assume a monster alchemists' best way to preserve this accomplishment would be to turn themselves human, no?

[Bloodcinder]

Yes, although that is a strategy for any person. I was just pointing out that a monster alchemist retains alchemy abilities. It seemed like you were indicating that once the alchemist was turned there would be no more alchemy.

[Killer_Man_]

You are cunning last time and I assure you, I'll be watching you. ;)

Regardless, I guess we should pass to anther day if Chef wants to. You can take this a yes to go to night time again.

[Z]

It seemed like you were indicating that once the alchemist was turned there would be no more alchemy.
Ah, I apologize if that's the impression I gave. I meant only to convey that once they were under attack, there would be no outgoing Alchemy products as they would all likely be used on the alchemist, himself, as he's getting attacked.

And since we want alchemy tools, I think it's obvious that we don't want our alchemists under attack. Therefore they should not identify themselves publicly.

[Seegtease]

Fine. But I'd like to make something at some point. I'd appreciate any vial donations. If you so choose to reveal yourself upon delivery of vials, I would remember the favor in the future. Perhaps through an Elixir ;)

[Z]

I believe the day will only end with an accusation or a vote to not accuse. Any suggestions?

[Gio Takahashi]

There is something about Zeitgeist that makes me feel uneasy, but I don't have a reason to accuse him yet.

[SpaceProg]

It's too early for me to form any well-defined suspicions.

[chefTENGU]

Then I officially indict the town. We simply have too little to go on, with too much at risk.

[deathofcheese]

Seconded.

[Z]

I do not agree.

I suppose I should remind everyone that we will likely have just as little to go on tomorrow. That's the nature of the game. I would suggest an accusation. The only thing we might know tomorrow that we didn't know today is that someone is dead and all that will tell us is that an alchemist has a chance to rez if they feel the need.

I agree that Zeit seems a little suspicious and deathofcheese moreso just from his responses rather than anything else. I am pretty confident, however that if we don't start accusing, we may all end up screwed, even if it's just an educated guess rather than a "case closed" situation.

[Killer_Man_]

I already said I would agree. Regardless we'll see what happens. I already said that Zeit seems aweful suspicious and so does Death.

[Seegtease]

Don't suspect me just because I'm more vocal. There are people who have hardly said anything. I feel like I'm being picked on simply because you know more about me, since I've spoken more.

Shouldn't some of you be concerned about the quiet types that we know very little about? DAMAGE has been the quietest person here.

Think about it. What better way to avoid accusation than to say very little? If I wanted to be off the radar, I wouldn't be one of the most vocal around here.

However, I should say that I believe we should continue to wait, since at least later on we'll have some elixirs made in case a bad choice is made.

[Z]

One way or another, more people need to start speaking up decisively.

We can't pass or accuse without a majority vote.

A majority = 5 people (out of 9)


• • • •

On the issue of passing:

For Passing
• chefTENGU
• Zeitgeist
• deathofcheese

Against Passing
• Z

• • • •

Suspicious people who have been cited:
• chefTENGU
• Zeitgeist
• deathofcheese
• DAMAGE

• • • •

I just noticed this... kinda funny how the only ones who want to pass have been called out as suspicious thus far.

And, I will go ahead and end this post with a 2nd reminder: I suppose I should remind everyone that we will likely have just as little to go on tomorrow. That's the nature of the game. I would suggest an accusation. The only thing we might know tomorrow that we didn't know today is that someone is dead and all that will tell us is that an alchemist has a chance to rez if they feel the need. I am pretty confident, however that if we don't start accusing, we may all end up screwed, even if it's just an educated guess rather than a "case closed" situation.

[chefTENGU]

It's funny that I'm suspicious no matter what I do.

Zeit started accusing me because I was originally trying to assert that it might be in our best interest to accuse someone, now I'm suspicious because I've changed my mind and decided it would be better to wait after all.

Heh, I just can't win. But hopefully the truth will start coming out, once tomorrow rolls around.

[Z]

I'm not saying I find you personally suspicious. I'm just noting that you have been cited before.

EDIT: oh, you meant for the passing thing. Just an observation.

[Seegtease]

Having a dead person is something to go on.

Seriously, we don't want to kill an Alchemist by mistake on the second night when valuable Elixirs and Daggers will be needed to save the victims.

EDIT: Also, I cited DAMAGE. Kind of.

[Z]

None of you three have claimed to be an alchemist. You are definitely not since you wanted the alchemists to reveal themselves (yet you, personally, didn't reveal yourself) chef is an alleged apprentice and death claims not to be an alchemist either.

EDIT: k - DAMAGE has been added to the list.

[Seegtease]

That's rather presumptuous of you, but think what you will.

[Z]

I always do ;)

[Bloodcinder]

There are currently four votes in favor of indicting the public, assuming that the judge is voting in approval of his own indictment: chef, doc, KM, and Zeit. A fifth will end the day.

[Z]

A fifth will end the day.
And quite probably someone's life.

[Gio Takahashi]

I agree with Z, nothing will be gained if we just pass and wait another night.

I am against passing.

[SpaceProg]

It's a judgment call. I have to go with Z, and Gio. It's not like it's an immediate death sentence for the accused is it? What with medicines that could be given?

[Killer_Man_]

I thought the judge was the only one who can indict then we vote on if we should burn the body.

[llama_egg]

Hmmm, It seems as though I'm on the line for voting. Heh. Well, I'll follow the underdog it seems, hmmm, yes, I vote against passing.

[Bloodcinder]

It's a judgment call. I have to go with Z, and Gio. It's not like it's an immediate death sentence for the accused is it? What with medicines that could be given?

I thought the judge was the only one who can indict then we vote on if we should burn the body.
Correct, KM. But if the indictment of the public fails today, a specific person will have to be indicted. She's saying that if this is struck down and somebody is burned it could eventually be reversed with an elixer. In other words... the tragic burning of a truly innocent human would not necessarily be permanent in Crystal Valley.

***

On the matter of chef's indictment of the public...

For :: chef, doc, KM, Zeit
Against :: Zac, Gio, SP, llama

DAMAGE's is the deciding vote.

[Killer_Man_]

Sigh, well with that information. I am removing my vote for now and I am going to review the thread.

[Bloodcinder]

On the matter of chef's indictment of the public...

For :: chef, doc, Zeit
Against :: Zac, Gio, SP, llama
Unspoken :: KM, DMG

One more against or two more for will decide it.

[DAMAGE]

Ugh, pass the day already. It's not like something is going to happen to help you decide what to do if we all just sit around on our asses and do nothing. It's been like 3 days IRL = 1 day in game for crying out loud. I don't say shit, cause shit is happening.

[Gio Takahashi]

The first couple of days are always the hardest.

[DAMAGE]

The first few days of the last two games we played were never this annoying.

[Gio Takahashi]

This is true, but it's quite different from the last two games.

[DAMAGE]

So what makes everyone think that sitting around doing nothing is going to change anything?

[Z]

Ugh, pass the day already. It's not like something is going to happen to help you decide what to do if we all just sit around on our asses and do nothing.
We're trying not to pass the day because we want to do something. Passing the day is doing nothing.

If you'd like to hurry things up, vote not to pass so we can get on to the accusation (Only 1 more vote is required to halt the pass). Otherwise we go into night mode and then into day mode, our only possible new evidence being that XXXXX is now dead which will just bring us back to today where no one knows whether or not to pass to get more evidence.

[DAMAGE]

If the day doesn't pass, our alchemists can't do anything.
If someone dies, an alchemist can luminate them, to see what they were, and resurrect them. So unless someone kills an alchemist, there should be nothing to be afraid of. That's why none of our alchemists should say who they are.

[Z]

If someone dies, an alchemist can luminate them, to see what they were, and resurrect them.Precisely why we should accuse someone. They die, the alchemist can use the luminary, and then we actually have some information to go on the next morning.

Unless I'm understanding the rules wrong, we need to be doing the killing via stake burning. Otherwise we just risk conversion.

[Killer_Man_]

I am going to say, no, we won't pass. We will indict someone since it is my vote who is last.

We will burn something this day. After reviewing, I say I have to agree with Z.

[SpaceProg]

The only thing that bothers me about it is the being burnt to death before resurrection part. Not exactly a painless way to go. I propose some kind of sedation if that's possible... if not... at least let them get blind drunk...

[Z]

I think KM's change of heart defeats the passing for the day. I'm sure BC can make the official call.

That in mind, though, I'm going to go ahead and Officially Accuse Zeitgeist. We can identify him and resurrect him if need be. I would suggest, if the accusation passes that our alchemists definitely use a Luminary. That way we will have new information in the morning.

[DAMAGE]

Another thing we could do is instead of killing him, we could randomly get the alchemist to use a vial on him. That would ensure that he is human.

[Bloodcinder]

I think KM's change of heart defeats the passing for the day. I'm sure BC can make the official call.
Correct. The indictment of the public fails.

That in mind, though, I'm going to go ahead and Officially Accuse Zeitgeist.
You can't officially accuse anybody. The indictment is up to chef. He can't indict the public again, but whom he indicts is up to him. Better get to persuading.

Another thing we could do is instead of killing him, we could randomly get the alchemist to use a vial on him. That would ensure that he is human.
However, at this point, a vote on a specific person has to occur: let the person live or burn him. That's the only option.

[Z]

Ah, well chef, I would officially accuse Zeit at this point if only because it's a "safe" accusation. I'm 99% sure he's not an alchemist and he really wanted the alchemists to reveal themselves early on.

deathofcheese is another suspicious one but only because he got so defensive and I don't now if his defensiveness stems from the panic of being an innocent or being foiled as a guilty person so I'm kinda on the fence about that one.

[Killer_Man_]

I have to agree with Z, those are the only two people who would be safe to burn.

[deathofcheese]

I think if I was ousted as a baddie that definitely had something to lose, I wouldn't have given myself away like that. That's certainly a shot in the foot.

[chefTENGU]

*sigh*

Very well. Zeit, the mob is out for your blood, consider yourself indicted.

Do you have anything to say in your defense? (I want to wait until he's spoken before voting).

[Z]

Very well. Zeit, the mob is out for your blood evidence, consider yourself indicted Exhibit A.

Fixed. :D

[Seegtease]

I guess I should just apologize for trying to be vocal and helpful by giving my input so frequently. Apparently being a chatterbox in the best interests of us all is grounds for a burning around here.

I offered sound advice. More vials means more solutions outside the realm of death. What motivation could I have for that if my intents were malicious?

Have you guys even looked at Z?

Ah, well chef, I would officially accuse Zeit at this point if only because it's a "safe" accusation. I'm 99% sure he's not an alchemist and he really wanted the alchemists to reveal themselves early on.

He would kill me just because he believes I'm not an alchemist. He doesn't care at all if I'm innocent - which is what really matters. To him, it's safe to kill somebody, even if they're innocent, as long as they aren't useful to him. Those are the words of a true fiend, with no regard for human lives outside their own!

How can you people trust the words of such an individual?

[Z]

Elixir = Resurrection. If you're identified as innocent, you'll be brought back to life and since I am 99% sure you're not an alchemist, the accusation is then considered a "safe" one because it can be reversed.

And, like I said, if I were a bad guy, I wouldn't want to keep the alchemists' identities secret. That would just be making things harder on myself.

[Seegtease]

You've been harsh on me during this whole ordeal. I don't know why, maybe it's because I'm a convenient target and you felt it would be easy to rally up the mass against me, even if you have no good reason to.

Spaceprog confessed to not be an alchemist. Damage and deathofcheese also spoke of alchemists as if they weren't one. In fact, deathofcheese asked for vials, too, and you claimed to be more suspicious of him. In fact, you have also given good reason for people to think you aren't an alchemist.

With all these people that appear to not be alchemists from what we know (about as much as you know about me), you still target me. I believe you have ulterior motives, selfish motives, and you've already swayed the crowd into following you like lemmings.

Don't trust this sweet talker, people. A monster would want to be close to and trusted by their targets before they strike.

[Z]

Sweet talking? hehe

I am voting to agree with chef's accusation for two reasons, not just one.

1) You are definitely not an alchemist.
2) You definitely pushed for the alchemists to reveal themselves

SP is not an alchemist (allegedly), but has also done nothing to make anyone question her motives.

DAMAGE is actually the one that turned me onto you most. He made a good point that, in my mind, validated your possible guilt (the pushing for revelation)

deathofcheese was also suspicious in my mind for a while (and maybe still is) but I don't think enough people would agree to accuse him. If we're going to accuse someone, we need to accuse someone that a majority might agree upon.

Since I already know Killer_Man_ and now chef (and probably DAMAGE) are willing to accuse you, that means we only have to convince 1 or 2 additional people whereas if we accused deathofcheese, we would have to convince a lot more.

[Seegtease]

So, you're killing me because I'm an easier target? That's quite the thinking of a fiend.

I pushed for alchemists to reveal themselves for the better of all. Their lives would not be in any danger. Even a monster could benefit from an alchemist from daggers. There's no good reason for a monster to target an alchemist, and knowing who they are could be a benefit to all.

People, do not be swayed by this bloodthirsty man, seeking to kill an easy kill for the sheer sake that he feels somebody must die.

This is not the attitude of an innocent person.

[Z]

So, you're killing me because I'm an easier target?
More like you're a suspicious target that would be the easiest to prosecute quickly.

[Seegtease]

You yourself said we have little to go on. I'm not any more suspicious than anybody here. I'm just an easy target for you.

I see plenty of reasons to believe you're a monster, though. For one, you want to get rid of me, because so far I'm the only one vocal enough to point you out, and getting rid of me early means you have less chance of being accused yourself. And if you're a fiend, you can murder in the night. 2 kills in one day, eh?

Furthermore, I daresay you've indicated that you're both a monster and an alchemist. That way, you can "safely" say that if I'm innocent, I will get revived. But you know that with you, being an alchemist, won't do it, thus reducing the odds of somebody will revive me. Maybe they want to make daggers. Maybe they want to cure those that are monsters. Who can say they'll want to save me? Besides, you know good and well we don't need to kill anybody tonight. If there's a murder, somebody can revive them as well as me. But if you kill somebody today, and there is at least one murder tonight, the amount of elixirs needed becomes a little hard to keep up with. And you know good and well this can be true.

And furthermore, it would explain why you want them to not reveal themselves, as it would only shine more light on your plot. At first, I didn't suspect you. But as more time goes by, I find more and more reasons to think so. I only can hope others can see this as clearly as I do.

[Z]

I want to get rid of you because you just started pointing the finger at me 2 or 3 posts ago? More likely, you're pointing the finger at me to get the spotlight off of you as a last desperate attempt which is understandable.

We've already passed a night which means werewolves and vampires could have spawned fiends which means there will probably be a murder tonight. It makes far more sense to accuse people on our own terms (so at least we aren't killing off alchemists) than it does to pass the day and see who the monsters choose to kill.

By the same token, if I were a monster, I would have jumped on your bandwagon and accused DAMAGE earlier since he seems to be good at picking up on the little things. However, I am innocent as I tentatively presume DAMAGE is and I feel his point was valid.

If it will settle your alchemy fears, I will announce this now for all to see:

IF ZEITGEIST IS IDENTIFIED AS INNOCENT, PLEASE REVIVE HIM WITH AN ELIXIR.

Beyond that, I'm not sure what other comfort I can give you.

We do need a kill tonight, though, so that the alchemists can use their luminary to identify. If we wait for a monster to kill someone tonight then we'll have to wait for not only tomorrow but the next day after that before we can start reviving which would take far too long. If anything, as an innocent person, you should be for your accusation. The result being that you will be declared innocent (for now) beyond all shadow of a doubt.

But if you kill somebody today, and there is at least one murder tonight, the amount of elixirs needed becomes a little hard to keep up with. And you know good and well this can be true.If we don't kill today, the alchemists will have no new information for us tomorrow other than there's a new dead body. We pretty much have to kill someone today if we expect to make any progress.

EDIT: I'm gonna go ahead and mark this as my last response regarding this particular accusation. If Zeit wants final word, it seems only fair that he gets it since he's the one being accused. Right now, though, we need some decisions from everyone else.

[Seegtease]

You saying so will not make somebody revive me. And I only pointed out DAMAGE because he was the most silent, and you know that's a good way to get off the map. After all, I was anything but silent, and look where it got me?

Go kill somebody who hasn't been trying to speak his mind for the better of the community. The silent person clearly only cares about their own well-being.

If you all continue to target the talkers, you're going to have a town full of fiends. Go rally against somebody less useful to the community.

[DAMAGE]

*sigh*

Very well. Zeit, the mob is out for your blood, consider yourself indicted.


I'm going to go ahead and go with this cause:
A. I want the day to pass
B. I'm sure we will be able to revive him if he isn't a monster. Cause if he is, then it does save someone from being turned.

[Bloodcinder]

For :: Zac, DMG
Against :: Zeit

If my tally thus far is incorrect, correct me. (Chef will not necessarily vote in approval.)

[Seegtease]

I have a better idea.

Instead of killing me, use a vial on me.

Think about it. If I am a monster, I will officially be healed and harmless. If I'm not, you'll have saved 4 vials from having to resurrect me with an elixir. You win either way.

And if you still want to kill me after that logic, you clearly have an ulterior motive, if you're so willing to waste resources just to ensure I'm dead.

[Killer_Man_]

I'm for it.

[Seegtease]

For my idea?

[Killer_Man_]

No, to burn you.

EDIT:

Sorry I should have spoke more than just I'm for it.

[Seegtease]

The "good guys" here should realize that the more innocents that are still alive, the less odds you have of being murdered yourselves. Killing me when you could just use a vial on me (to be safe) and have a potential ally is ludicrous.

In fact, in light of what I said before, anybody who wishes to kill me instead of turn me "good" (assuming I'm not already good, which if I weren't, why would I be so willing to be turned?), must not be on the side of "good."

And thusly, I suspect Killer_Man_ for still wanting to kill me. And as any intelligent person here would see, I've just set a trap. And it went off in KM's face. I'm sure even Z could agree.

[Killer_Man_]

A trap and why would you want to? I have nothing better to do, I have no super powers, no nothing. I am just agreeing with Z that it's better to burn and then revive than anything.

The only other person I will still say is suspicious is Damage or Z.

[Seegtease]

So, people are better off dead (being either good OR evil), than alive and good?

I can't wait 'til the rest of the people come around and see your guilt.

I'm willing to be "turned" good (if I'm good, I lose nothing. If I'm evil, I become good). Why not grant me that? There's only one reason: you are not on the good side, and want as few opponents as possible.

[SpaceProg]

Evil makes people spontaneously bold their words.

[Killer_Man_]

Well Zeit, you would be burning an innocent, regardless I do not care anymore because if what you say is true then why wouldn't an alche just cure everyone and oh look no more vampires/werewolves.

[Bloodcinder]

A flood came and killed everyone.

THE END